Religion, Politics, and Armegeddon

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsAs for the welfare of the country... well, sending jobs over seas does wonders for our economy and employment levels. I live in Ohio where unemployment is at a record breaking low. How is that helping us all as a whole? So by taking away our right to freedom of speech and sending jobs over seas it's making the country better?

Owners of businesses care about one thing...making money and the bottom line. Jobs will go overseas, and it's not political. It's purely economic. I think to try and stop that would be wrong (and even dangerous). If someone can produce a product of equal quality overseas for cheaper, all people will see at retail is a cheaper price. Sure there's the old cleche' "buy American" or "made with pride in the USA"...but really, not enough people care to make a difference. If they did, Wal-mart wouldn't be spreading like cancer.

Originally Posted by: R. ShackleferdOwners of businesses care about one thing...making money and the bottom line. Jobs will go overseas, and it's not political. It's purely economic. I think to try and stop that would be wrong (and even dangerous). If someone can produce a product of equal quality overseas for cheaper, all people will see at retail is a cheaper price. Sure there's the old cleche' "buy American" or "made with pride in the USA"...but really, not enough people care to make a difference. If they did, Wal-mart wouldn't be spreading like cancer.

I don't have a problem with material made over seas to be honest. Right now I've got a guitar in my lap made outside of the US and it happens to be my favorite of my bunch. But it's not just manufacturing jobs that go over seas. Sure it's nice to get something cheaper, but it's also nice to be able to pay for it. And saying it's not political isn't really true. There's a huge political stance in the economy. People vote for a president in hopes that they will shift the economy in their favor. Yeah there's more money, but not as many people have a share.

Bush took justice in his own hands. I think he shoud have let the UN do their job. he has been interfering with other nations business too. particularly my country. and the cheating president is flirting with him.(president aroyo) :mad: if ww3 would come i will blame it all on bush.

I dont believe in any religion they are just fraud. and devils in disguise but i do believe in God...(religion did some crucial things in our society. they taught us wat is good and bad,set most of the fundamental laws.) sadly they also showed us the mass curroption and power abuse back then.


i cant give you the proof that God exist. but someday soon you will realize and He will give you the proof Himself. All i know for now is am his servant and he is my Master.i Dont question his capabilities

Originally Posted by: MoonliteShredBush took justice in his own hands. I think he shoud have let the UN do their job. he has been interfering with other nations business too. particularly my country. and the cheating president is flirting with him.(president aroyo) :mad: if ww3 would come i will blame it all on bush.

Yeah, the UN was real helpful when we needed em. Wed still be voting now if we were waiting for their approval.

yeah you would have still been waiting until now but taking justice in your own hands is wrong. thats why certain rules wer made to keep the peace in this earth. do you think bush decision made a difference??? more bombing, more deaths, and many more to come. the killing wont stop anymore,

wrong+wrong is not = right...

Might makes social right.

Originally Posted by: MoonliteShredyeah you would have still been waiting until now but taking justice in your own hands is wrong. thats why certain rules wer made to keep the peace in this earth. do you think bush decision made a difference??? more bombing, more deaths, and many more to come. the killing wont stop anymore,

wrong+wrong is not = right...

Peace on this earth huh? I dont consider people blowing themselves up and taking the lives of the innocent exactly peaceful. The killing wasnt gonna stop. Bush is doing his best to minimize it.

This is WW3 and the reprucussions will be evident over the next hundred years.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaThis is WW3 and the reprucussions will be evident over the next hundred years.

What is WWIII?

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonWhat is WWIII?

Is that a question or a Jeopardy answer? :D

I say this is WW3 becuase the fighting has erupted over three continents. North America, Europe and Asia. Even Australia has had threats. Which would be a fourth. This is a world wide event with little or no chance to be resolved in the forseeable future.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaI say this is WW3 becuase the fighting has erupted over three continents. North America, Europe and Asia. Even Australia has had threats. Which would be a fourth. This is a world wide event with little or no chance to be resolved in the forseeable future.

Let's compare casualties. In Iraq, estimates on casualties for both sides combined range between about 30,000 and 103,000. Casualties in WWII for, oh, let's say the USSR total somewhere around 27 million military and 19 million civilians. How many nations have actually declared war? So far I'm fairly certain only 1 nation has declared war. That nation is Iraq.

Wait a while....and what about Afghanistan? Not to mention the Israeli-Palestinian thing. People might not have declared war but Spain was hit hard, how many countries are in Iraq in one form or another? Bombs in London, the Phillipines, The East Indies, Saudi Arabia, Russia and the Chechnyans. Things will break down eventually. I did say it would be evident over the next hundred years.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaWait a while....and what about Afghanistan?

I was assuming we were just talking about the Iraq conflict. Yes, Afghanistan has also declared war. That's two nations in a period of 5 years. Casualties there are something like 40,000 total for both sides combined including civilians.

Now let's take a look at those two nations that have declared war.

Both the governments that declared war on the United States have been displaced. The sovreign powers that led the military fighting against American troops no longer have any governmental status. Geurilla fighting tactics of fanatical terrorist factions do not constitute a world war.

Maybe though it is unprecedented on this kinda scale. Nobody cared when terrorist were confined to Israel. Suddenly they are all over the damn place. They declared war on everyone. Bush says 1 percent of muslims act this way. There are over a billion muslims which makes that 1 percent figure around 10 million. That's a few radicals. I believe with Abu Gharib and what not that figure climbs everyday. We aren't getting rid of them ever. Furthermore we are taking over invaluable oil rescources which has to worry people. If we are hell bent on taking control of the region somebody is going to stand up against us. I believe this "war on terror" is a great cover for the "get all the oil we can war". When it becomes apparent of what we are really doing people who are not our core allies i.e. NATO, are going to be really pissed off.

Stakny...bush/administration has inflammed one of the worst suicide attack streaks EVER with the war on iraq.Do you have any idea how many troops have been killed by IED's?

And let me clarify something...if someone says "bush" did this or that,they most likely are refering to the whole administration.

He hasn't minimized a thing(well,mabey peoples faith in him/America)



I have to bring up scientology real fast....after some looking into it,ive concluded its the most insane thing anyone could believe.I say this since I live near the CoS..they all act like robots(I always have to sing arigato mr.roboto out the window doing the robot while passing them).They look right through you...talk about out there.


In the international sense,America seems alot like joe pecci in good fellas or casino...he does what he wants most of the movie,but eventually "bang!"(or "thwack!")...reparations for past doings..."and thats that"

karl rove is an evil man who deserves to be executed for his crimes against humanity and extreme acts of immorality.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaMaybe though it is unprecedented on this kinda scale. Nobody cared when terrorist were confined to Israel. Suddenly they are all over the damn place. They declared war on everyone. Bush says 1 percent of muslims act this way. There are over a billion muslims which makes that 1 percent figure around 10 million. That's a few radicals. I believe with Abu Gharib and what not that figure climbs everyday. We aren't getting rid of them ever. Furthermore we are taking over invaluable oil rescources which has to worry people. If we are hell bent on taking control of the region somebody is going to stand up against us. I believe this "war on terror" is a great cover for the "get all the oil we can war". When it becomes apparent of what we are really doing people who are not our core allies i.e. NATO, are going to be really pissed off.

Yeah, this conflict isn't for oil, and let's not even start that debate, because you and I both know the whole phrase is just for shock value.

Umm...the terrorist attacks were confined to Israel? What about the Bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993? Pan Am flight 103 in 1988? The bombings in Mumbai in '93? None of these terrorist attacks were in Israel, and there are many more examples of terrorist attacks (and I'm just talking Islamist fanatics at the moment, I'm not talking about the IRA or anything) on American, British, French, Algerian, German, and various other soils. Terrorism has existed (by that name) since I believe the French Revolutionary period (Reign of Terror) although modern definition of Terrorism does not fit that time period, it is the first use of that term. Yes, in a world of 7 billion people, 10 million is a few radicals. Such a small percentage of various countries' populations does not reflect any large scale movement. An example of the Christian equivalent would be the Nazis or the KKK. Are you afraid that the Nazis/KKK are going to overtake American government and declare war on the nations that bear the brunt of their hatred? Of course not. The 1% of muslims that are radical islamists or harborers of terrorism are, while a threat to people across the world, not enough to start a third "World War."

Agree to disagree. :D By the way just food for thought. How many countries have an armed force in excess of 10 million. I can only think of the chinese.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaAgree to disagree. :D

Agreed! :D