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11/25/2005 8:00 pm
First of all, i'm not distorting the truth. Secondly, the reason why i say saddams best friends back than were the US is because Saddam got satellite images from the US, and he was using chemical weapons against Iran, right from the start of the war, which the US first denied, until later when the kurds in Iraq were killed.
It seems that as soon as i mention something terrible your government did,you focus on something else, or blame other nations. The mistake your government made back than are being made over and over again. take for example how they helped the iranian mujaheddin during the iran-iraq war, i mean ffs they're considered a terrorist group by almost every single nation on earth (except for France probably). I don't see how the american government should be considered better than any other terrorist government, when it has aided more kinds of terrorists at different times than most other countries. Instead of blaming al-qaeda for the chemical weapons saddam had, blame your own government who gave the technology to saddam to fight Iran. I mean do you really think those weapons were used against soldiers and no-one else but soldiers when they hit iranian soil?
The mess your in right now is your own governments fault, this is what happens when you **** where you eat.
If the US is interested in democracy, why did they **** up the only chance at democracy my country had with prime minister mossadeq? They gave birth to a dictatorship which later led to another. I'm sorry, but i for one won't trust bush when he talks about "freedom" more than i would trust Iranian leaders when they call my country an "islamic republic". All i hear is "OIL" and "Money" from both sides.
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11/25/2005 8:08 pm
but the fact is that some people's hearts and minds will never be changed and so their actions against us will only be stopped by violent force
Hmm, or you could just leave them alone and leave their country eh? It couldn't be worse than the slaughtering that is "operation iraqi freedom".

One thing that i've noticed with american TV (i get fox over here, sadly) is that they don't show injuries or things that are real, watching american news is like watching a videogame. I think if they would show the injures, the mamings, blood and all that, it would have a vietnam-war-like effect all over again, people wouldn't support the war all that much anymore.
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11/25/2005 8:15 pm
Originally Posted by: scarface84Hmm, or you could just leave them alone and leave their country eh? It couldn't be worse than the slaughtering that is "operation iraqi freedom".


You're out of your f*cking mind. We're saving a great many lives by being there.
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11/25/2005 8:20 pm
Originally Posted by: HammurabiYou're out of your f*cking mind. We're saving a great many lives by being there.

Not nearly as many as you've taken, and watch your language, don't get personal, it's a forum, and everyone has a right to have an opinion.

[U]Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq[/U]

Min: 27115

Max: 30559



[U]U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD[/U]: 2097
[U]Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation:[/U] 8
[U]Total [/U] 2105


From Oct. 2004

BBC 2004

The links are outdated, just so you know.
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11/25/2005 8:36 pm
I don't want to see this thread closed.Everyone remember its opinions.


anyway,I'm amazed that north korea can threaten the U.S with a nuclear strike and actually HAVE everything needed for a real wmd,yet we arn't running to that war.What are the real motives behind going to iraq?
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11/25/2005 8:37 pm
what drives me nuts is when bush and his followers spout how we are fighting in iraq to defend freedom at home. that makes no sense at all. what a joke. karl rove is a fag.
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11/25/2005 8:39 pm
Originally Posted by: chucklivesoninmyheartI don't want to see this thread closed.Everyone remember its opinions.


anyway,I'm amazed that north korea can threaten the U.S with a nuclear strike and actually HAVE everything needed for a real wmd,yet we arn't running to that war.What are the real motives behind going to iraq?


It's because of a sticky black liquid i would have to guess.

[U]From CBS[/U]
"For a few months this year, the Iraqi provisional government published figures obtained by counting bodies arriving at hospitals. Its total was 3,853 civilians killed between April and November. Again, that is necessarily an underestimate, since many of those who are killed or die never reach a hospital."
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11/25/2005 10:32 pm
Originally Posted by: scarface84[U]From CBS[/U]
"For a few months this year, the Iraqi provisional government published figures obtained by counting bodies arriving at hospitals. Its total was 3,853 civilians killed between April and November. Again, that is necessarily an underestimate, since many of those who are killed or die never reach a hospital."

I don't think that's really reliable sources of information, nor can you draw conclusions from it. I know for a fact that when a car bomb goes off the locals frequently blame the troops, thus I'm sure those #'s are included. And our military today stikes with surgical precision most of the time (undoubtedly the best in the world). It's not like they're sweeping the crowds with M60's. And to further my point...CBS already showed it's journalistic integrity with the whole Bush AWOL memo forgeries.
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11/26/2005 12:03 am
I get the feeling that the whole war with Iraq was nothing more than a large scale test of the U.S.'s defensive capabilities.
Sort of a way of showing the world what they're capable of so that no other nation dares to oppose them.
The U.S. military is constantly inventing new ways of waging warfare but there's no way to test it out except with actual combat... so they manufacture an excuse to wage war.
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11/26/2005 3:49 am
What does schmange mean? I'm just curious, and bored, but mostly curious :)
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11/26/2005 6:42 am
Originally Posted by: scarface84What does schmange mean? I'm just curious, and bored, but mostly curious :)


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11/26/2005 6:49 am
I found a concise description of the mainstream judeo christian god's operation...



THE GOD OF
CHRISTENDOM

God, in the beginning, created a perfect Angel called the "Anointed Cherub" whose name was Lucifer.

This perfect Angel one day fell in sin, and became a devil, ruining much of God's universe, and is the cause of all sin and evil, and also the cause of ruin and sin in other perfect angels, now called demons.

Author's note: This reminds one of a man who invents a machine or creates something for the good of himself and humanity, and then this machine goes out of his control and ruins all, against the original will and intention of the inventor.

God then was fortunate to have a son who, being purposed to die on Calvary, could at least salvage part of the ruin.

God then wanted human beings by the millions to love and serve and worship Him, and He "willed all mankind to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth."

But alas, the newly created Adam and Eve also went bad on God, and again God's intention with the human race failed. Again He blundered.

The best that God can now do since Adam, is to appeal and beg and plead with sinners so He at least gets some in heaven, otherwise the Devil gets them all in hell.

The Devil is also appealing to sinners not to accept Christ, and thus He is trying to get as many as He can into an endless hell. God is trying to get as many as He can into heaven.

"God's" Failure and Satan's Victory

Author's note: Thus the conclusion must be reached that the Devil's will is more powerful and successful than God's. Hell must then be forever and ever a monument to God's failure and to Satan's victory.

God foresaw all of these millions and billions of human beings when He created Adam and Eve, and He must have seen what an expensive proposition it would be; what a gamble; for He would have to send about 500 or more to an eternal hell for each one which He gets in heaven.

Then at the Tower of Babel, He deliberately upsets the one language of the world, and makes it that much more difficult for heathens and sinners to get saved. For, when viewed from present day missionary appeals, what a boon one language in the world would have been! Now the student must study two years or so to learn a dialect or language, and in the meantime thousands of heathens die and are eternally lost.

Then during the dark ages, either God would not or could not give the world, for hundreds of years, printed Bibles, tracts, radios, printing presses, etc. And even to this day there are millions of heathens not reached, who, for the most part, must be lost, or we would not send missionaries and money to the foreign fields.

God is weak enough to get the infants into heaven, but when they mature, the Devil gets most of them. Fortunate for the baby and for God when babies and little children get killed.

Then in conclusion, God miraculously keeps these billions of sinners alive forever and ever so they can undergo their eternal "gnashing of teeth" in fire and miraculously be kept burning. What profit this is to God or to the billions of culprits in Hell we are not told.

And, when we begin to ask a few questions, we are immediately hushed and told that we must not ask such questions; however, we are supposed to believe in this blundering, weak, failing god of protestantism and catholicism, the popular god of Christendom.

The thing that amazes the author is that most Christians dare not face the conclusion of their own religious beliefs.

HERE is the site I pulled it from(surprisingly not an athiest site...quite the opposite)
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11/26/2005 7:51 am
in the rediscovered lost books(dead sea scrolls) of the new testament, there is a passage(removed by the catholic church over a thousand years ago)where the disciples ask jesus "what will heaven be like?"...will we see family and friends from earth?? animals?? trees?? rocks?? sun?? stars?? jesus replies "men are blind for they do not see the kingdom of heaven is here on earth." the church removed this passage because you don't need a church to get to heaven when you are already there.
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11/26/2005 4:28 pm
Originally Posted by: magicninjaThe only way to have peace is to prepare for war.


yeah right :rolleyes:
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11/27/2005 12:26 am
What i meant was what does the word "schmange" mean? not "what does schmange mean". :o
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11/27/2005 1:48 am
It's short for 'glorious stud'. :cool:
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11/27/2005 1:51 am
Originally Posted by: schmangeIt's short for 'glorious stud'. :cool:


lmao, good answer. I'll guess i'll never find out what it really means :p
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11/27/2005 3:06 am
Originally Posted by: z0s0_jpin the rediscovered lost books(dead sea scrolls) of the new testament, there is a passage(removed by the catholic church over a thousand years ago)where the disciples ask jesus "what will heaven be like?"...will we see family and friends from earth?? animals?? trees?? rocks?? sun?? stars?? jesus replies "men are blind for they do not see the kingdom of heaven is here on earth." the church removed this passage because you don't need a church to get to heaven when you are already there.

hmmm, just wondering, where'd you learn this bit of info? i'd never heard that before.
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11/27/2005 4:25 am
Originally Posted by: rockonn91hmmm, just wondering, where'd you learn this bit of info? i'd never heard that before.

joseph campbell- famous theologian/writer ....in his lecture he pointed to the scroll where this was written. google his name, he has street cred ;) p.s. he helped george lucas write star wars
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Originally Posted by: z0s0_jpp.s. he helped george lucas write star wars[/QUOTE]
and we all know that was a true story... that really makes me want to believe him now...

[quote=scarface84]lmao, good answer. I'll guess i'll never find out what it really means :p

schmange... rhymes with strange... so that should give you the idea. :p
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