Religion, Politics, and Armegeddon

People who pick a side before hearing all the facts are ignorant. I am not aiming that statement at anybody here. It's just a generalization. There are some things I'm conservative about and some things I'm liberal about. Crime and gay marriage I'm conservative. Weed and prostitution I'm liberal.

what are conservative views on crime??? pro death penalty?? is that what you mean??? just wondering. i personally don't want to feed(especially his diet) and house people like jeffery dahmer. does that make me conservative on crime??

but what about the children...oh my god....the children :rolleyes:

Yes. Also I feel the punishments given are in the right general area. I believe we need more cops. The only thing I dislike about crime and punishment is minimum mandatory sentences for minor drug offenders. There are too many of those and a new one born every minute. This will inevitably lead to catastrophic overcrowding in our prisons. Not that it isn't bad now.

Originally Posted by: PonyOneIMHO in regards to gay marriage... if you don't like it then there's a simple solution: don't marry a person of the same sex... that's the beginning and end of it. People will continue to be gay no matter what, you can't stop that, and from where I can see, if they're contributing, tax-paying members of society, they have all the right in the world to live with whom they want to live with, spend their lives with who they want to spend it with, and they should have all the same rights and benefiets a straight couple has.

And I don't understand where all the BS about gay marriage being "a threat to the sanctity of marriaqge and the American way of life" comes from... I mean it's not like if gay marriage is okayed they'll outlaw straight marriage, nor is it like you're going to be sitting around the table praying before dinner when a bunch of gay dudes in leather bust in, blast techno, and gyrate against one another while making passes at all the male family members. It's just as stupid as people believing in the Jim Crow laws, because it's inhibiting the basic rights of a subsection of the American populace, and that's wrong.

Just let them go about their gay, gay ways; live and let live.

You're right gay people should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaYes. Also I feel the punishments given are in the right general area. I believe we need more cops. The only thing I dislike about crime and punishment is minimum mandatory sentences for minor drug offenders. There are too many of those and a new one born every minute. This will inevitably lead to catastrophic overcrowding in our prisons. Not that it isn't bad now.

here here!!!3 strikes is nuts....life for theft of a doobie brothers cd!!!!

Originally Posted by: magicninjaThere are some things I'm conservative about and some things I'm liberal about. Crime and gay marriage I'm conservative. Weed and prostitution I'm liberal.

Easy there Rock!

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsA circle jerk, eh? I'm sure that most of us here by now, know not to take anything you say personally... or even seriously... or anything else... at all.

Guess its pointless for me to post then.......Screw it then.

Originally Posted by: PonyOneIMHO in regards to gay marriage... if you don't like it then there's a simple solution: don't marry a person of the same sex... that's the beginning and end of it. People will continue to be gay no matter what, you can't stop that, and from where I can see, if they're contributing, tax-paying members of society, they have all the right in the world to live with whom they want to live with, spend their lives with who they want to spend it with, and they should have all the same rights and benefiets a straight couple has.

And I don't understand where all the BS about gay marriage being "a threat to the sanctity of marriaqge and the American way of life" comes from... I mean it's not like if gay marriage is okayed they'll outlaw straight marriage, nor is it like you're going to be sitting around the table praying before dinner when a bunch of gay dudes in leather bust in, blast techno, and gyrate against one another while making passes at all the male family members. It's just as stupid as people believing in the Jim Crow laws, because it's inhibiting the basic rights of a subsection of the American populace, and that's wrong.

Just let them go about their gay, gay ways; live and let live.

I concur. I'll start worrying about what someone else does in bed when I have nothing else to think about. I don't think I would appreciate people ranting about how they disapprove of what I do in bed and I doubt anyone would appreciate me doing just the same. And in the end, really... who gives a ****? If there's a genuine love between two people regardless of the gender, then what is wrong with that? If happiness occurs as a side effect what is wrong with that?

Originally Posted by: LeedoggEasy there Rock!

I loved when he said that because it made way to much sense. I hope there were more people listening than just me.

I saw him live in Miami Beach a few years ago when he did that bit. Absolutely hilarious.

Originally Posted by: stacknyWtf are ignorant about my views??? And I dont expect you to back me blindly, but if youre a conservative and have conservative views then you why dont ever state your opinion? No need to back me, youre a smart guy, make the point yourself.

"Wtf is ignorant about my views" is what you meant to say. Back on track, saying that Bill O'Reilly never cuts peoples mics off to keep them from getting points across is ignorant. Saying that Bill O'Reilly never lies is ignorant, and at best naive. Claiming that France is incapable of fighting a war is ignorant, even though it's an old joke that, yes, I appreciate. See, the thing about a joke is, it's only good a couple of times. To include a France joke in nearly every post just got tired. Besides, Napoleon conquered all of Europe except Britain, and the French army did a pretty damn good job supressing uprisings in Algeria for 132 years, so that's not too shabby either. I state my opinion quite a bit, but I'll remind you that it's not as a result of my being conservative. You see, I don't agree with many of your points. For instance, I don't agree with everything President Bush has done. I agree that the recession is the fault of the Clinton administration, but it's prolonged lingering was a result of incompetence on the part of the Bush administration. Fortunately the economy has been recovering for quite a while now, so I feel the upward trend is a nice sign for the current admin. I wasn't a fan of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. As a conservative, I hate ot see yet another expensive government organization rise up from nowhere. Hurrah, more beaurocracy! And how do they pay for that beaurocracy? Taxes. With President Bush's tax policies as they are, he should be doing his best to SHRINK government, not expand it. I agree with his tax policies, but his bloating of government is ridiculous and unnecessary. We have the CIA, we have the FBI, we have the NSA, we don't NEED the department of Homeland Security. The President's reasoning for going into Iraq was poor, I believe we should be there, but I think the administration could have been a bit wiser before our entry. The Plame affair and Harriet Miers are just a few more idiotic mistakes that the Republican party cannot afford to have associated with them. George W. Bush's approval rating is 36%. He's lost plenty of support from conservatives, libertarians, and anyone else that might vote for him in a national election. Ideally I'm a moderate libertarian, but, to tell you the truth, I'd have voted Joe Lieberman into the office of the presidency before I voted for President Bush in the '04 elections. Too bad the dems didn't seem to throw much support to him. I really think he'd have been the best president in the bunch.

I can see O'Reilly's point on some things but sometimes he just pisses me off. Also, because of the way the nation views Bush and republicans in general at the moment, I believe a democrat will be in the Oval Office for at least the next two terms. It depends on who it is if they'll get my vote or not. Yes I do vote. No I don't just push republican or democrat. As a matter of fact last year I voted for a democratic Senator and a republican Senator. I abstained from the presidential vote because the outcome was going to piss me off any way it turned out.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollyson"Wtf is ignorant about my views" is what you meant to say. Back on track, saying that Bill O'Reilly never cuts peoples mics off to keep them from getting points across is ignorant. Saying that Bill O'Reilly never lies is ignorant, and at best naive. Claiming that France is incapable of fighting a war is ignorant, even though it's an old joke that, yes, I appreciate. See, the thing about a joke is, it's only good a couple of times. To include a France joke in nearly every post just got tired. Besides, Napoleon conquered all of Europe except Britain, and the French army did a pretty damn good job supressing uprisings in Algeria for 132 years, so that's not too shabby either. I state my opinion quite a bit, but I'll remind you that it's not as a result of my being conservative. You see, I don't agree with many of your points. For instance, I don't agree with everything President Bush has done. I agree that the recession is the fault of the Clinton administration, but it's prolonged lingering was a result of incompetence on the part of the Bush administration. Fortunately the economy has been recovering for quite a while now, so I feel the upward trend is a nice sign for the current admin. I wasn't a fan of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. As a conservative, I hate ot see yet another expensive government organization rise up from nowhere. Hurrah, more beaurocracy! And how do they pay for that beaurocracy? Taxes. With President Bush's tax policies as they are, he should be doing his best to SHRINK government, not expand it. I agree with his tax policies, but his bloating of government is ridiculous and unnecessary. We have the CIA, we have the FBI, we have the NSA, we don't NEED the department of Homeland Security. The President's reasoning for going into Iraq was poor, I believe we should be there, but I think the administration could have been a bit wiser before our entry. The Plame affair and Harriet Miers are just a few more idiotic mistakes that the Republican party cannot afford to have associated with them. George W. Bush's approval rating is 36%. He's lost plenty of support from conservatives, libertarians, and anyone else that might vote for him in a national election. Ideally I'm a moderate libertarian, but, to tell you the truth, I'd have voted Joe Lieberman into the office of the presidency before I voted for President Bush in the '04 elections. Too bad the dems didn't seem to throw much support to him. I really think he'd have been the best president in the bunch.

don't mess with jolly.

I think maybe Ill put an end to my guitartricks political carreer right now due to the fact Im the only conservative here who has my views and is willing to say it. Not worth it, and its really not easy keeping up with everybody's responses.

And Jolly, dont ever correct my **** grammar again.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaYou're right gay people should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us...

...or be allowed in the hospital room during their partner's last hours, have more security when it comes to shared property, have more security as a binational couple, etc...

Originally Posted by: stacknyI think maybe Ill put an end to my guitartricks political carreer right now due to the fact Im the only conservative here who has my views and is willing to say it. Not worth it, and its really not easy keeping up with everybody's responses.

And Jolly, dont ever correct my grammar again.

I hate how conservatives never learn from their own mistakes.

Originally Posted by: SPL...or be allowed in the hospital room during your partner's last hours, have more security when it comes to shared property, have more security as a binational couple, etc...

Exactly.....

I thought howard dean might have been good...to bad he had to yell at all those people.

Kerry had seemed to flip-flop on some things regarding the war in iraq,but much seemed to be taken out of context(what he said).Put in the position of presidency,I think he would have performed well...he would have pulled out alot of troops by now most likely.

Anyone have there eyes on potential 2008 canidates?I'm voting for al sharpten or hillary clinton!(good god,thats just a joke)

Originally Posted by: stacknyI think maybe Ill put an end to my guitartricks political carreer right now due to the fact Im the only conservative here who has my views and is willing to say it. Not worth it, and its really not easy keeping up with everybody's responses.

And Jolly, dont ever correct my grammar again.

That statement is bull. We've all been expressing our opinions and we're all willing to say it. That's why this thread was made. And there has been support for conservatives. Your support for conservativists has supplied very little backup and makes little too no sense. You take this way too seriously. It's an online debate and we're here in this thread for the sole reason of clashing thoughts. It's not to prove who's right or not. If it's not worth it to you then why'd you bother in the first place?

Oh, and I think you meant "And Jolly, don't ever correct my grammar again."

Oh yeah, added note. Look at the number of Jolly's posts and consider how long he's been here with a number like that. Then think about how well others might take to a comment like that last one.