anti nu-metal rant

arrg!

[ I agree that alot of guitarists these days, since the beginning of the 90's til present, neglect learning he art of playing beautifully inspired solos that cut to the heart of the song if the musician allows hisself to sort of live in the song itself for that moment and has the desire and taken the time to learn guitar at that level. I believe that alot of the guitarists these days make some great rythyms but sell the potential of a real cool solo's enhancement to the song and bringing it to a greater level short.

I agree,.. my favorite band for solos and their solo sound was Judest Priest, "the sinner".

You know some songs are better off without solos, "Livin On A Prayer" by Bon Jovi being a great example

I agree, it is what the song needs, and some are better without solos, my beef is with the people who pooh pooh lead guitar, and say it's not cool to wank in public, personally I dont think it's cool to cry/scream/wail/leap about like a deranged moron (like virtually all nu-metal singers) in public
my thoughts on this are just that the focus of a band has shifted from the band as a whole to the frontman, I read so many reviews where all they do is praise the singer and phrases like 'the rest of the band do a good support job' get on my nerves, the musical members are usually the ones who write the damn songs! the singer in my old band couldnt play any instruments at all and was always very in awe of myself or the bassist and drummer, but this isnt always the case, musicianship goes out of the window and I find it frustrating that people dont appreciate it.
mind you, I think that soon a band will come along, sound slightly generic and then a guitarist will rip into a solo, the look on everyone's faces in the crowd would kick ass ;)

"Take The Strokes and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club out of the equation and American Rock music is as bad as it's ever been... unshaven men in shorts singing about the blackness of the future. They should have a shave... listen to the Beatles and make some proper music."

Noel Gallagher


I think that sums up Nu metal brilliantly.

hey Led-Zeppelin can you tell me whats this noel's guy problem?
he always laughes at other musicians (american rock like you mentioned now, kylie , george michael and many others) but he is not the musican of the century exactly himself
for a guy who based all of his musical career on his ability to copy the beatles he has too much ego..

dont want to post a "hate them" reply.. but i realy do not understand why does he have to hate all the other musicians so much

The new album is just released, hes making news for himself. He says stuff like this all the time though, hes a musician right, but hes a music fan too and he says what any other music fan says except hes in the public eye.

About the copying the beatles thing, he copies no more than any other band really, he just points it out before anyone else can. I like him, we share the same influences (Beatles, Stones, Neil Young) and he makes music I like. I agree he aint the greatest musician but hes alot better than he gets credit for.

Originally posted by Led Zeppelin
"Take The Strokes and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club out of the equation and American Rock music is as bad as it's ever been... unshaven men in shorts singing about the blackness of the future. They should have a shave... listen to the Beatles and make some proper music."

Noel Gallagher

That sums noel up pretty well too....the beatles copiest....nevermind if he put more gain and guitar solos in.....its still pretty much the same song every time and the whole oasis 'we are the band' thing to me is really immature, nobody should say 'our noise is better than everyone's noise' and if oasis would co-operate with other musicians they might learn something to add to their music....but I do enjoy their first album...especially Columbia.

[Judas Prist is one of my>>>> no I take that back: it is my all time favorite rock band still to this day evethough I don't think there latest releases anywhere near compares to their earlier stuff, they still got my vote. They offer it all in their music: Awesome rythym guitar, mind blowing lead guitar, totally deep lyrrical content, and vocals that send shivers down your spine ( speaking of Rob Halford ). And what about Breaking the Law: no solo Hmmmmmmm whadayaknow

British heavy metal, what can be said? Hey it all started there, from Hendrix to Priest to Sabbath to sex pistols and on and on.

Originally posted by ^Chacron^
its still pretty much the same song every time and the whole oasis 'we are the band' thing to me is really immature, nobody should say 'our noise is better than everyone's noise' and if oasis would co-operate with other musicians they might learn something to add to their music

the whole 'we are the band' is rock n' roll, to succeed you gotta believein yourself.

What do you mean by 'co-operate' with other musicians, do you mean like doing collaberations?

And to say its the same song every time might be a little extreme, OK they have got 2 No.1's and a No.2 single using the same chords (the Wonderwall chords) but he uses them well. I agree Oasis will never make any great breakthroughs in music like Hendrix or Van Halen but hes still writing no.1 albums and singles after 10 years.

personally, I cannot STAND Oasis, being from England and having to put up with every stupid thing the gallagher brothers do being documented in all the newspapers and on TV just made me sick of them.
They're just beatles wannabes, hell Liam named his son Lennon in tribute... I personally dont rate the beatles much, george harrison yes, definetely, he was very much a redeeming quality in my eyes. they wrote a few catchy tunes, but are just over hyped in my eyes.
I can hear beatles stylings all over any oasis tune, Noel Gallagher seriously needs to stop thinking he is the oracle of all knowlegde on rock bands, for a guy who recieves roughly equal amounts of criticism and praise for his songwriting skills he sure thinks he's untouchable
Personally I think most oasis tracks sound the same, my brother was a big fan but even he agrees that they're very one dimensional, if you want a good british rock band, check out travis, or Coldplay, at least they have some musical dynamism, I find with oasis, every slightly original tune they write suddenly turns into a 60's retro wannabe trip, I guess Noel writes a tune and doesnt think it has enough beatles cliche's so writes a few in
I personally enjoy playing lead guitar, not always widdly widdly solos, but a piece of music, if I feel satisfied, and enjoy playing then I cant complain, but I cant see how the guitarists of today feel the need and drive to leap about like lunatics to the sheer low level of the music they play.... hell maybe because of that accursed 'quiet to loud' dynamic everyone and his auntie seems to use, maybe they're just happy to be allowed to play!

monkey mind swings from tree to tree, and chases it's tail. A thought I learned from a tai chi teacher. All these same questions without end, justifications/non-justifications, catagories and genres...monkey mind. I had a dream, I bypassed it all and played for the love of guitar. So I put notes aside, songs and everything else.

Someone asked me at a gig I was playing last night if I could play a certain hungarian classical peice, this person is a well known artist. I replied " first I request that you paint for me exactly that building across the street,..and I mean exactly and now". The artist refused saying how she didn't like to be told what to paint, and anyways realism wasn't her skill. I smiled at her, turned, and continued to play whatever I felt like.

I'm from Fort Worth Texas and my favorite UK band of all time is tha Stones brother.

Firstly, any sort of solo in a song, be it guitar or harmonica for example is a good thing, it adds variety and the best solos give you time to ponder the lyrics. The reason the guitar solo is absent from a lot of present day music is because it requires a lot of skill and knowlegde of theory.

Nu-metal is a fad.

And while many young guitar players and practising hard to nail those one fingered riffs the delight should lie in the knowledge that they'll learn nothing from it, its a dying genre.

The sooner guns n roses get back on the scene the sooner kids will realise that guitar playing is about attitude, and from intelligently compiled songs you can learn and enjoy playing to a greater degree.

I hope to be in a band in the near future, one in the style of good old honest stadium rock!!

axl

I really don't pay too much attention to the trends. Some bands keep it real by still using solos in every genre. And some use one finger chords. Only in a few songs a solo wouldn't fit, but the most guitarists just think that its not part of the trend.

Originally posted by Axl_Rose
The sooner guns n roses get back on the scene the sooner kids will realise that guitar playing is about attitude, and from intelligently compiled songs you can learn and enjoy playing to a greater degree.

G&R might have been vaguely interesting when they first came out, but by now, to be brutally honest, they're a bunch of sad old hacks. Seeing them limp around a stage is going to be like watching your dad dance.

This whole pre-occupation with nu-metal is pathetic. Considering the vast differences between the bands to whom the label is applied (Korn - certainly not "nu" anything, Limp Biskit - hip hop with guitars, Linkin Park - boy band with guitars, Incubus - RHCP copyists, SOAD - a genre unto themselves, Slipknot - the sound of a metal can being beaten with a wooden spoon), it's pointless to even try to discuss them as a genre.

Does anyone seriously think that Korn and Incubus sound even remotely alike?

Hair metal is dead, and good riddance too. Grunge had its day and faded. Who cares? Rather than waste so much effort whinging about what's on MTV or the corporate radio stations, why not get off your arses and find some new music that you do like? I can't help but feel that that's a much more positive approach than posting endless whinge-fests on internet message boards about how you don't like what other people are playing.

There is plenty of good new music out there. While I wouldn't necessarily expect anyone else to have the same taste as me, recent stuff I've been impressed with includes The Cooper Temple Clause, Wilt, Dark Star, some GYBE and more. For some reason I find it much more satisfying to seek out new music that I might like than to sit here reminiscing about good music of the past. Sure, I miss the Jesus and Mary Chain, and Levitation, and Slowdive, and The God Machine and countless other bands that have passed on, but at least I recognise that they're not coming back.

Why not go to your local record shop, pick 5 CDs at random and ask to listen to them on headphones? Then pick 5 more. Keep going. There'll be something in there you like, unless what you really enjoy is the whinging.

This whole pre-occupation with nu-metal is pathetic.

Why not go to your local record shop, pick 5 CDs at random and ask to listen to them on headphones? Then pick 5 more. Keep going. There'll be something in there you like, unless what you really enjoy is the whinging. [/B][/QUOTE]
oh ya! well said.

Who sais were whineing. Some of us dont like nu metal, and that doen't mean we go around telling other people how much we dont like it.