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weskoon
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02/23/2008 4:35 am
I subscribed to full access membership to this site tonight.

I'm somewhat new to the guitar. I've got a Fender Stratocaster, but I can't even play a full song.

I really can only play certain pieces of songs, due to learning the tabs, and Making up my own little licks from the Pentatonic Scale.

I try to learn songs from my favorite artists Like, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Eric Johnson, Eagles, Lynrd Skynrd, Plus lots, more.. I just get frustrated.. for one reason..

I don't know what I need to be concentrating on. i mean yeah I can sit there and learn how to play a song if i study the tab long enough, but what Do I do now to further myself in my playing? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
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Welcome to the site. Start here:

http://www.guitartricks.com/course.php?input=1
http://www.guitartricks.com/course.php?input=2

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02/23/2008 5:47 am
Originally Posted by: weskoonI subscribed to full access membership to this site tonight.

I'm somewhat new to the guitar. I've got a Fender Stratocaster, but I can't even play a full song.

I really can only play certain pieces of songs, due to learning the tabs, and Making up my own little licks from the Pentatonic Scale.

I try to learn songs from my favorite artists Like, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Eric Johnson, Eagles, Lynrd Skynrd, Plus lots, more.. I just get frustrated.. for one reason..

I don't know what I need to be concentrating on. i mean yeah I can sit there and learn how to play a song if i study the tab long enough, but what Do I do now to further myself in my playing? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Hey wes,

First, I suggest you slow down! I can understand your excitement with your Strat (my first guitar was a cheap acoustic, and the action was over an inch above the fretboard! I use to have to shave the callouses with a razor- but it did wonders for my picking and chording when I was able to buy my first electric.)

Focus on your fundamentals. Are your barre chords clean? Do all the strings rings, or are there some "dead" strings. Forget barre chords, how about the open chords?

I know most guitarists are resistant to this, as I was, but learn how to read some music.

Do you know how to tune your guitar? Silly question to some, but I've found that teaching someone how to tune a guitar can be one of the most difficult things to teach. And I'm not talking about with an electronic tuner. Matter of fact, I was going to start a thread, and the topic was going to be, "What's the Most Difficult thing to teach a beginning player?"- (but I ran into your post, and saw that no one replied.) I find that most difficult, because it's hard to teach someone how to listen. An individual string may be in tune, but is your guitar in tune overall? If it sounds "off", could be you either aren't tuned up properly, or there's an intonation problem with the guitar. What can you do to fix that?

How's your picking? Your arm tight or relaxed? Wrist loose? How about your body as a whole? Tense, relaxed?

Start out with easier songs from a real beginners book. Have a metronome? Can you play Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star without missing a beat? Get a metronome, and see if you can. Here's a tab for the melody: http://www.911tabs.com/link/?3587492 Practice your picking; first with down strokes only, then with up only, then up/down.

And be honest with yourself. I know you want to crank up your amp, crank up the volume, and rock out. There's plenty of tutorials here. Look around; there's a wealth of information.

But you gotta crawl before you walk, walk before you run. I hope this helps for starters. There's plenty of members here that are willing to share. Good luck, and welcome to GT!
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02/23/2008 5:52 am
See? Follow CS' links...
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02/23/2008 9:21 am
Thanks Everyone for the responses!

I will try to slow down, I guess.

I just feel i'm more advanced than the beginner series that was linked to me. I've looked at those videos and have surpassed what is being taught in them. My Barre chords are fairly clean, I can Play Sunshine of your love without any problems.

I had a guitar teacher for a few months, and he had a tough time teaching me barre chords, but I eventually got them down.

As far as tuning my guitar, I can't do it without a tuner, however with a tuner, I dont have any problems at all.

I can play things like the intro to Stairway to Heaven, Comfortably Numb(Pink Floyd) etc, and parts of the solo, I also make up some blues'y licks of my own using pentatotonic scales, and have a blast playing them. But learning actual songs is my downfall, the only reason i can do parts of them is because i've read the tabs, and by no means have i learned these songs by ear.

I cannot read music, and thats definetly something I need to do.

But what does this site have to offer me besides, licks, etc.

I know i need a lot more practice to "tune" things up.

What i've always found very helpful, is listening to the song, as it shows you the tab. like that site Guitar-Tab.com

I'm sure there are thousands of guitarist's that have been, or are in my shoes right now, and just dont know how to proceed further.

How can I take advantage of this site, to make me the player I know I can be?

Thanks again everyone
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02/23/2008 9:31 am
if your willing to spend money start buying album song books. most of the ones i have seen come in both tab and standard notation. the have all the tempo stuff and most everything you need to know. if you are really serious about learning whole songs i would recommend getting the books and ignoring internet tabs, then use a metronome to practice and learn the songs then use the cd or mp3 to play along with the whole song.

you might also try guitar-pro.com . its atab software that uses midi sounds that play along with the tab, but its still is very inaccurate.

while i would love to give you a website for ordering the books i usually buy them at the shop or special order them from there.
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02/23/2008 3:24 pm
I too came back to guitar after having played for a while. Reading your reply to one of the recommendations, I saw that you stated you still have some beginner needs like not knowing how to read music. While this if not approached properly can initially slow you down by getting you somewhat "bogged down," anyone should know how to read some music. The point is, you said that you went through the beginner link and found it to be too easy. My question to you is this. Did you go through all of the lessons in sequence? I did. It only took me about 10-12 hours or so. There's a bunch of info in there. One of them being a very succint section on How to Read Music! down to 1/16 notes.

Tab is a marvelous system, except for the total void of TIME notation. Reading a little music allows one to at a minimum keep good time without having learned the tune before hand.

Good Luck, Keep playing.
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02/23/2008 5:25 pm
Originally Posted by: weskoon My Barre chords are fairly clean
"Fairly"? NAIL 'em down. Can you transition from one chord to another easily, and without looking at your guitar?

As far as tuning my guitar, I can't do it without a tuner, however with a tuner, I dont have any problems at all.

What if the battery died? I keep a tuning fork nearby, just in case, or when I can't find my fork, I play a tune I know on my iPod, and use that as a point of reference to tune up. I wanted to use tuning as a thread starter, because many players don't know how to tune w/out an electronic tuner. This will also help in your ear-training, and hopefully, you'll learn how to really listen

I can play things like the intro to Stairway to Heaven

You can play the single notes on the intro but not the rest (not talking about the lead part.)? Why not? The chords are fairly easy.

I cannot read music, and thats definetly something I need to do.

Definitely learn how to read some music!

But what does this site have to offer me besides, licks, etc.

I can't give you a map, as I've just become a full access member myself. You said you became a full member only yesterday. Take another look at what Segovia, and Broken said.

I'm sure there are thousands of guitarist's that have been, or are in my shoes right now, and just dont know how to proceed further.

You're right. I just turned 50. I started playing when I was 12- do the math. I've come back to playing after a very long layoff, have a pretty good foundation, but still have a lot to learn. I'm a Berklee College of Music Performance Major dropout- my biggest beef with Berklee was they forced me to change how I picked. But I wish now I had retained all the music theory, ear-training, modes. My point? After all these years of playing, I know I still sound like crap. That's why I said to be honest with yourself. That's why I'm getting back to basics. The path to learning never ends...unless you're happy just playing power chord, then all the power to ya.

How can I take advantage of this site, to make me the player I know I can be?

You're already doing so by posting. As to the tutorials, look around. I'm still going through them myself.

Thanks again everyone


Hope we were of some help. I hope you don't think I was being too harsh on you. Believe me, I'm sure most of the players here have felt your frustration. But you're going to have to hunker down and practice, practice, practice. I don't know if you're in school or what your daily responsibilities are, but many of us here work full time, have kids, have to worry about bills, etc. I'm separated, but have my kids every other week, for a full week at a time. So it's tough for me to find time to really practice. But thanks to Guitar Hero, I'm teaching my son Iron Man :)

I want to see you work on Stairway FOR A FULL WEEK, then post your progress. But do stop to take some time with the tutorials. "Kinda getting it" isn't good enough. If you hit a wall or get bored, take a break, then go at it again. From the time I first started playing, until I dropped out of Berklee, I managed to practice an average of...I'd say a minimum of 3 hrs. a day, and I'm low-balling that average. While at Berklee, it was more like 10 hrs./day; and yeah, I was able to fit in girls and other activities ;)

If you want it bad enough, you'll get it. The information is out there to get. It's up to you to retrieve it, and make of it what you wish.

Looking forward to your progress. And don't be shy about asking questions. As you can see, the members here are very helpful. Take advantage of that.
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02/23/2008 6:24 pm
Originally Posted by: weskoonI just feel i'm more advanced than the beginner series that was linked to me. I've looked at those videos and have surpassed what is being taught in them.[/quote]
Fair enough.
Originally Posted by: weskoon
As far as tuning my guitar, I can't do it without a tuner ...
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Learn to do this.
[QUOTE=weskoon]I cannot read music, and thats definetly something I need to do.

Absolutely. Everyone should learn to read it. Not necessarily be able to sight read (read while playing "on demand"), but at least understand what is written on the page.
[QUOTE=weskoon]
But what does this site have to offer me besides, licks, etc. ...
How can I take advantage of this site, to make me the player I know I can be?

These are great questions!

You have provided a list of things you can do (partial songs, etc.). Can you provide a list of what you want to do? Like a clear, concise list of specific skills or goals?

If you want to "play the entire song" of which you only know part, then obviously you should get the best sheet music available for it and practice it until you can play it right.

We have over 3000 video lessons on just about every imaginable topic concerning playing the guitar. If you can give us a list of specific things you want to accomplish I am sure we can provide links to lessons that cover those topics. :)

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02/23/2008 6:50 pm
Originally Posted by: CSchlegel Can you provide a list of what you want to do?


This is to wes, but I'm quoting from CSchlegel- I think that's the most important question posed. When you know what you want, you'll have a better idea of what you need to get there.

Guess I'll never be an Olympic gymnast...... ;)
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02/23/2008 7:12 pm
wow!
Hoorah to a crew of informative team players here, very eager to help!

I will try to learn to tune my guitar without any sort of help, I guess this is THE best way to train your ear? I've been told i have a great ear when it comes to music, but I still have trouble remembering how to tune my guitar perfectly, without any sort of guidance, so i'll work on that.

As far as learning music, thats always been a pain to me, but I guess it's time to buckle down, and get it done, for good..

Stairway To Heaven, is probably my favorite guitar piece, especially that solo, either that or Comfortably Numb by P.Floyd - I'm gonna try and keep piecing that song together.

What Do I want to do? As funny as that sounds, i've never even asked myself that question. However, here is my answer, I wanna be able to hear a piece of music, and then be able to play it with only a few minutes practice, I know several people can do that, and it's something i've always envied.

I love the blues, and want to be able to jam along with people on the drums, I want to be able to improvise on things, and create my own solo, I want to be able to play along and make my own little add-on's to pieces of music, so I can jam with songs that are being played.

Eventually id love to be able to play songs like Little Wing, SRV's rendition.

I'll keep you guys updated on my progress, and again thanks for all the support. This site's support, may motivate me to be better.
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02/23/2008 8:31 pm
I can't say what's THE best way to train your ear (kinda like asking who the best guitarist- an ongoing thread here.) I would think there's a tutorial in the beginners section.

When I get around to it, I'm going to start that thread on how people tune their guitars.

Now get off your butt and start playing your guitar! I have an excuse, I'M OLD! :rolleyes: nah, I'm just getting over a monstrous cold, and my head feels like it's gonna explode. OK, I'm out until tonight. Later!
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02/25/2008 11:16 am
All response's will help you wes,but please learn how to tune your guitar :eek: Playing guitar and practicing does get lonely and frustrating at times this is where jamming comes in once you connect with some muso's and make some magic thats when your hard work pays off and you'll start to crave your next high (jam)
P.S I have finally got all of stairway sorted the Lead finally falling into place,Time for project 20 years on and off you will always be learning the trick is to always stay hungry ;)
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02/25/2008 5:24 pm
Originally Posted by: weskoonWhat Do I want to do? As funny as that sounds, i've never even asked myself that question.[/quote]
Unfortunately, many people never do. It is a very imporant question. :)
Originally Posted by: weskoonI wanna be able to hear a piece of music, and then be able to play it with only a few minutes practice ...[/quote]
This is a long term goal. In order to achieve it you will have to do a lot of aural training ("ear" training). This means you will have to be able to get so used to hearing a series of notes and chords that your mind and hands will be able to recreate it at will on the guitar.

You already do this with language. You (usually) don't have to stop and think in order to do normal day-to-day communication with the people around you. But you weren't born knowing all that stuff.

Start practicing major and minor scales across the fretboard. Get used to associating what a scale looks like on the guitar with how it sounds:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=419
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=370
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=462
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=296
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=185

See more on how scales contain chords:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=389

Start to learn inversions and get used to moving chords all over the fretboard:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=148
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=383

Originally Posted by: weskoon
I love the blues, and want to be able to jam along with people on the drums, I want to be able to improvise on things, and create my own solo, I want to be able to play along and make my own little add-on's to pieces of music, so I can jam with songs that are being played.

Blues improv:
Basic - http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=170
More Advanced -
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=217
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=232
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=244

General improv:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=483

I will publish the minor version of that last one soon.
[QUOTE=weskoon]
Eventually id love to be able to play songs like Little Wing, SRV's rendition.

Get the best sheet music available (containing standard notation and tab) and get busy!
[QUOTE=weskoon]
I'll keep you guys updated on my progress, and again thanks for all the support.

Please do let us know how it goes for you. You are welcome. Best of success. Happy playing!

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