So, on CE's girlfriend post:Lets hear from the girls on this forum

Originally Posted by: AkiraThey're all against me!!! Watching me!!! Camera's everywhere!!! *covers self in tin foil and hangs metal coat hangers in every conceivable place around the house*

That's pretty funny. ;)
Nah, they're not untrusting - just overprotective. They think there are creeps everwhere. Sure enough there are bad people out there but you gotta get out sometime.

Originally Posted by: PonyOnepains me to say it, especially as an advocate of education policy reform and of alternative education methods but i cannot recall a person i've known who was home schooled who wasn't noticeably "off" somehow. a lot of them do seem to be overbearingly religious (as renisen noted) and a lot of people, religious or not, seem to have been home schooled by overprotective parents who instilled a sharp fear of the world around them. pity. with the quality of public education nowadays, it seems as though a lot of people could have gotten a better education sitting under a tree by a pond playing a banjo than they did waking up at 7am, shuffling through classes for 8 hours and then going home and having to stay up all night doing mindless busywork.

all IMHO, but then i was the guy who dropped out and got his GED then started working because he was sick of having no challenges whatsoever in class.

i think that a lot of girls are turned off from guitar - especially electric - because of it's "manly" aura; to the uneducated person, an "electric guitar" isn't something that can be used for a billion types of music, it's a loud, crude instrument that you use to wail full-metal misfortune about satan and death on the masses with. they think of the type of person who plays electric guitar and they think of a guy with long, greasy hair who drinks and takes drugs prodigiously, is brain dead (other than his knowledge of the instrument), unhygenic, loud, vulgar, uncultured, and aggressive. NOTE: the first person to insert something about how i described them is hereby declared beforehand to NOT BE FUNNY OR CLEVER and receive the virtual equivalent of a bitch slap

i think this image of the electric guitar as a "manly" instrument turns a lot of girls off from it, and then also turns a lot of girls onto it who don't really care about the instrument or even want to play it, but, who want to prove they can "hang." a guitarist friend of mine once asked a girl who had a gig bag what kind of guitar she had on the subway, and was treated to a torrent of "i'm not interested in dating you, what kind of guitar i play is none of your business and i'm better than you anyway." ouch.

further, often a girl who plays the electric guitar has a hard time not being thought of as a musical also-ran or a wannabe-metal dude, and this would make it way more difficult for her to be taken seriously. imagine if you played a song for your parents that you poured your heart and soul into and they reacted with "aww, cute." well, imagine you're a 110 lb girl with a ponytail who writes an awesome riff, and you play it for your male friends and they think it's "cute" or "sexy," whereas if one of their other male friends played it it would be "sick" or "awesome."

it seems to be different with acoustic guitars; maybe because their tone is more commonly associated in pop culture with an earthy, liberal, all-natural audience who is supposedly open to art and things that go against tradition, and also that in many circles the acoustic guitar is thought of as a sophisticated, graceful, calm instrument as opposed to the electric being vulgar, loud, and unruly; the difference between a ballerina doing swan lake and a punk slam dancing.

i don't get why it is that so many girls have adopted bass. when my sister, who's now 17, wanted to branch out from violin, she chose a bass. i got her a Yamaha of some sort, i don't remember exactly the model, and an SWR LA series amp. no interest in guitar whatsoever. and 4 of her female friends also have basses. weird.

what makes it even more strange is that while now, guitar and bass seem to be percieved as "manly" instruments and violin, mandolin, and piano as "girly" it was the other way around at the turn of the century. i've seen numerous woodcuts and prints of women playing guitars and very few of men playing.

All I can say is you live up to your sig, man. :D

Originally Posted by: PonyOneand FTR...

-Best Motoring DVD's rock my world
-GT4 is the greatest game ever
-the worst crime ever committed in Los Angeles was taking away my license

i love the way a good engine sounds. the best sounding engines (IMHO) are:
-Ferrari V12. you hear these a lot in the area I live in. nothing like it.
-Ferrari V8. you hear these a lot in the area I live in. nothing like it but a...
-VW 4.2 V8 (Touareg). i had a client who drove a 360 Modena buy a fully-loaded Touareg because he said the engine sounded closer to his Ferrari than anything else he'd ever driven that could haul his kids.
-GM Small Block V8 (305, 350, 389...). Classic. so mean sounding. i mean the exhaust note just has this authority to it when it's connected to the right exhaust.
-GM Big Block V8 (442, 454, 502...) unrefined but awesome.
-VW VR6. seriously. such a cool sound; that great inline 6 tone. sounds great in the 2.8 models and even better in the 3.2's (Golf R32, Touareg V6, Audi TT 3.2)
-Toyota/Lexus 4.2 V8: like a 350, but more refined.
-Nissan/Infiniti 3.5 VH35DE V6: brutal.
-Nissan 2.6 RB26DETT I6: great inline 6 tone PLUS twin turbos. souped up and with a set of GT45's... the sound of pure evil.
-Toyota 4AG 1.6l I4: simple and high-revving but pure and powerful

if you ever get next to a Chevy 2500 pickup, and it happens to have the monster 8.1 liter V8... uhh... yeah.

There we go!
That's more of what I want to hear.
Any experience with rotaries? (RX-7, RX-8...?) Their sound isn't 'mean' like a big piston engine. It's more... jet engine. Winding kind of sound. It's really neat. Heard the G35 coupe sounds really awesome.

Yea Pony, your points on the whole stereotypical guitarist is right. throughout the past few centuries, men have taken a role as luthier or builder of instruments(guitars and earlier lutes etc) whilst women have been more prominent players(perhaps not more so than men,but more so that now for sure). and I get what you are saying about "cuteness" in it...but some heavy riffs that are absolutely awesome were written by women...take "Brakish" by Kitty for an example...

on the whole parents thinking a song is cute issue...you guys think Trent Reznors folks were proud of him when he first played "Closer" to them?

Originally Posted by: PonyOne
i'd be proud if one of my kids, male or female, wrote a song like that... but... well... i also grew up listening to bands like NIN and Ministry among other things.

Yea, me too, but I doubt Mrs Rez was very proud of the chorus lyrics..."Oh Trent its beautiful...why dont you go next door and play it for your grandparents? I'm sure they'd just love it"...NOt likely

Originally Posted by: PonyOnethe G35 coupe sounds like a more rev-happy small block.

rotaries are fun; i drove (abused) an RX8 we had in on trade and it's kind of weird compared to a traditional piston engine. the engine doesn't even start to come alive till you're past 5000 RPM and it redlines somewhere around 10; that's part of the reason it has that jet engine sound, just because of the huge number of RPM's they dish out. torque is somewhat lackluster but the thing just doesn't stop revving... just be careful downshifting, i'm sure that a downshift at 100mph to 2nd gear before entering a turn would just absolutely destroy the engine...

that's my dislike of them. i had a friend who built an FD RX7 turbo (big ass GT turbo of some sort with a monster BOV), and it hauled... handled like a dream too... but he blew the apex seals. the engines are VERY weak if they're driven hard, and they suck gas because of the higher RPM's (you often get lower gas mileage than you get out of a small block, in fact...) but the handling on the RX8 was killer; great turning abilities, and power slides are fun because the lower amounts of torque make it more manageable.

You have the same complaints as most people. Aren't 3rd gen RX-7's hot though?

Edit: So glad there's another petrolhead here.

Yeah, chicks dont associate guitars with making them less attractive or "manly". Just some, dont have interests in playing instruments, and some have yet to come under its spell yet. But ya know, I do take a ton of crap about "oh you can't play, your a poser" because im a chick and i happen to be dragging around my gig bag. I can not stand that, i just wanna sock the little punks who have that stereotype in there heads, they dare to come up to me, and waste MY time by assuming because i am a girl that i can not compete with a guy as a guitarist. When i know i can play better then most of the guys who come up to me.

**breaks out guitar demonstrates my skill then decapitates them with my axe**



I have to say in the music industry, especially rock guitarists role , is very sexist, its rele sad, there is no room for a girl to even dream about being able to compare to Joe Satriani or any one of the sort. But i guess i havent seen alotta rele awesome chick guitar players. I tend to think the challenge is too much for some to take on for a period of time, because of the fact that hormones control most teenage girls, so they never develop as guitarists.

[font=trebuchet ms]AIR, "control" and "teenage" are concepts that have no commonality.[/font]

Originally Posted by: PonyOnebecause hormones don't control most teenage guys?

Course they do, but electric guitars are believeed to give guys sexy points, and therefore, it is in accordance with the hormones that teenage guys start playing guitar...(I have come to find this to be a myth, the "girls love guys in bands" thing is not true...I have found this is only true of good bands...having played in both bad and then good bands and noting the difference.)

Originally Posted by: Andrew Sa(I have come to find this to be a myth, the "girls love guys in bands" thing is not true...I have found this is only true of good bands...having played in both bad and then good bands and noting the difference.)

I think I'm gonna have to agree with Andrew on this one. Women don't always get turned on when they find a guitarist or anything. Not that I've seen anyway. Of course, when you speak out of context like I do without thinking about it or what others might interpret from it, you're bound to turn everyone off. If people knew what I was talking about when I talk, but it seems as though the majority of the time I'm the only one that knows what I mean and everyone else sides against me because they've pieced together something I never even considered. Blows my mind.

And regarding the female guitarist deal, I for one count the whole sex discrimination as bull****, pure and simple. I've spoken my thoughts on that at one point here on a previous thread but due to my choice of words I found a fancy little message from a moderator in my pm box, so I'll just leave it where it is. Just keep playing if you want to, which I'm sure you do, and have fun with it. If anyone says anything about it then it shows how much they really know about being a musician.

And that reminds me... of something I just forgot..
Oh yeah, I've looked around for some classified ads for people looking for members to start a band and it always gets me wondering when I see something like "looking for a female (insert instrument)". and I ask "Why a female in particular? Is there some unique capability that women have past giving birth that lets them play music differently from a guy?" Obviously I've already stated I have no quarrel with female musicians, but to say that's specifically what you want? Personally I'd say something like "I don't give a **** about you, your color, gender, sexual preferance, religion, stance on abortion, nothing. All you need is one thing to participate and that's being capable of playing music well. That being said, if you don't suck gimme a call". I'd be prone to find quality where I can before I'd start worrying about the image factor.

Originally Posted by: PonyOnebecause hormones don't control most teenage guys?

I agree with you there.
All you have to do is go out of your house being a girl and not being fat or disgusting and you find out real quick.
They don't look at you because they think you might be a neat person, or might be intelligent or interesting. That's one thing I hate. Have you ever been out somewhere and every aisle you walk on someone is staring at you?
It's creepy as hell.
Yes, I know, how on earth are you supposed to catch a girl if you don't ever look and talk and blah blah... but good lord staring is just... creepy! Advice for all you guys is if you like what you see... don't just keep looking and put a girl on the edge of her nerves and stalk her for a while. Talk instead. That's much less creepy.

Originally Posted by: PonyOne honestly, do guys really think that saying "hey baby, i'd like to give you a good hard ride, what do you say?" or even "you've got a nice/big/huge/beautiful/hot/etc [insert preferred slang yourself]" is a good way to connect with that girl?

Guys dont say that, or at least the guys who get girls dont!!!

What really bugs me is people who discuss things they only witness from afar! I know guys who have never had girlfriends, never really even had friends who were girls, but yet they have all these opinions on them and what they are like. Im not critising people like that but sometimes its ok to not have an opinion.

My point is too many people think women, or 'girls' as they call them, because they only really saw females at school when they were younger, are so different. When you look at how diverse people are, how different each human can be, youll see gender plays as much part in a persons traits as hair colour or height!!

Its easy to get a chick, treat them like an equal, be yourself, and youll at some point youll meet one that makes something click in your head!!

I met my chick because I new her bro, I started chatting to her, I asked for her number so I could text her. Then a few weeks later we were texting more and more and we just met up, hung out, found out we had a lot in common. Its really that simple.

It bugs me so much when people thing that you need chat up lines, or theres rules you have to follow!!

Originally Posted by: Axl_Rose
It bugs me so much when people thing that you need chat up lines, or theres rules you have to follow!!

I think chatup lines are just the funniest thing ever. I find it to be such a strange concept...to have a rehearsed phrase that you repeat to every passing female...what bollocks!

Not only will a natural conversation allow you to learn more about a person,but it is also so much easier and way less cheesy...


But lets be honest, sometimes initiating conversation can be hard,especially so if you have no connection to the girl in question, by that I mean that you just see her out in public and have no mutual friends etc...no introduction!

Originally Posted by: Andrew SaI think chatup lines are just the funniest thing ever. I find it to be such a strange concept...to have a rehearsed phrase that you repeat to every passing female...what bollocks!

Not only will a natural conversation allow you to learn more about a person,but it is also so much easier and way less cheesy...


But lets be honest, sometimes initiating conversation can be hard,especially so if you have no connection to the girl in question, by that I mean that you just see her out in public and have no mutual friends etc...no introduction!

The lamest attempt I have had directed to me to start conversation was when I was picking up some conditioner and a Mexican guy asked me "Et es good, no?" "You see... you buy it and your hair pretty so I buy it too". I really didn't know what to say so I said okay... and he said "you work here, no?" I was just about to say no and right about then my sister, God love her, came up and asked me a question. She saved the day.

But really, I understand you've got to strike up something, however staring only makes one nervice and nothing comes of it anyway.

Originally Posted by: RenisenbBut really, I understand you've got to strike up something, however staring only makes one nervice and nothing comes of it anyway.

Another bad day for spelling then?...hehe

Originally Posted by: Andrew SaAnother bad day for spelling then?...hehe

You!
I shall seek e-revenge. :p

Sexism doesn't exist... riighht (to whoever was saying it doesn't).

And what really has puzzled me about this thread is reflecting upon myself as to why I chose to play guitar. I mean, I don't think of myself as manly. What I actually remember is wanting to be able to play, because I thought it was cool that my brother did. I mean maybe there was some sort of subconcious thing that determined that i was going to be absolutely obsessed about guitar.
I don't know though. Then it occured to me that I don't know another girl who play electric guitar, and it kind of bugged me out (I do give guitar lessons, so you'd think i'd meet atleast one).
I'm just bothered.

Please, NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS...IT is said with my tongue stuck firlmy in my cheek.

As for sexism, it exists, BUT, feminism? Is feminism a fight led by women, requesting that women be traeted as equals to men?
Or is it just ugly women requesting that ugly women be treated like beautiful women are?

I know it reflects badly on how shallow men are and all, but I honestly think in most cases it is the latter...( I am not saying that women are treated/shouldnt be treated as mens equals...but you must have noticed how most feminists are rather masculine?)

Originally Posted by: Andrew SaBut lets be honest, sometimes initiating conversation can be hard,especially so if you have no connection to the girl in question, by that I mean that you just see her out in public and have no mutual friends etc...no introduction![/QUOTE]
Ask yourself is it appropriate to approach and speak a complete stranger with the intent of getting a date? Lets be honest, its not! To them, its gona be obvious what your after and its a bit of a turn off. If your in a pub or club then I guess it comes with the territory that people will approach others in a friendly manner, but out on the streets or in a shop its a bit invasive.

Originally Posted by: iihollySexism doesn't exist... riighht (to whoever was saying it doesn't).

To say that the music industry is sexist because theres a distinct lack of female guitaring role models its utter rubbish!! There are tonnes of female artists, its 50/50 between male and female in music right?, and just because these female artisits/guitarists lie in different genres doesnt imply they arent given the same opportunities as male guitarists.


[QUOTE=iiholly]Then it occured to me that I don't know another girl who play electric guitar, and it kind of bugged me out (I do give guitar lessons, so you'd think i'd meet atleast one).
I'm just bothered.

Why should it bother you that theres no females you know playing guitar? Whats gender got to do with anything? Are there any people you teach who are blind? If not, does that bother you? I think your being what you would call sexist!


Theres a lack of female rock guitarists therefore the music industry is sexist *yawns* gimmie a break!

Heh Id love to be a women, you have more rights than men in todays society and in the cases where you feel you dont you get to cry sexism!! :rolleyes:

everyone seems so angry now...we are just having a laugh! I dont think anyone here is genuinely offended by a lack of female guitarists...as for the feminism post, Pony, I understand and accept that...I was merely attempting to point out how most guys will treat good looking women much much much better than they do ugly women...