SHALL WE STAND ALREADY?!

i sure would like to see the media give the bio-threat deal a rest! seems to me they are scaring the country more than the terrorists have! sure, it's a bad thing, but guess what. I'M A PROUD AMERICAN AND NOTHING THAT GETS DONE BY THE PUNKASS TERRORIST'S IS GONNA SCARE ME. I GO ABOUT MY BUSINESS AS NOTHING EVER HAPPENED, AND IF I GET EXPOSED TO SOME BIO-BIN LADEN PLOY, SO BE IT. I'LL STILL SAY GOD BLESS THE USA, AND PRESIDENT BUSH RULES! AMERICA ROCKS! SO COME ON FELLOW AMERICANS, LETS STAND TALL, UNMOVED, STAND WITH OUR PRESIDENT AND MILITARY, AND BE SOLID AS EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE!

[Edited by educatedfilm on 10-18-2001 at 01:22 PM]

hmmm... I agree about the media doing more harm than good (but that's never stoped them before)... I'm not an american though...
Can i ask why should Americans suppourt the military? What's bombing a country that's so poor the targets cost less than the bombs going to achieve? ... btw I've edited a swear word out...

Originally posted by educatedfilm
hmmm... I agree about the media doing more harm than good (but that's never stoped them before)... I'm not an american though...
Can i ask why should Americans suppourt the military? What's bombing a country that's so poor the targets cost less than the bombs going to achieve? ... btw I've edited a swear word out...

DUH
edutakemycountryigiveup!
Who do you support?Do you support the UKs Military?
you can edit all you want i don't give a f###.
I support my country plus the Military.
That because i'm an American and proud of it,
just like the the post starter.....................
Really i can't tell you what i would like to,
tell you because you would just change my words .
Mark
God Bless America
P:S Really your reply was not worth even answering,
i must feel bad today about all the people that died in,
NYC .....................Sorry Guys

Skee! I was wondering when you would show up. You've been missing all sorts of bitter political debate.

Ed, Americans support the military because they defend our nation and put their lives on the line for the sake of preserving freedom. I would be proud to serve in the military if I was ever called up, and I support the president in doing whatever it takes.

And about the bombing of Afganistan - in case you haven't heard, that's where the terrorists were trained and were based. We have to destoy their ability to train and prepare for future terrorist actions.

I support the bombing of military targets- and that seems to be what our military is targeting. However, if we started carpet bombing Kabul or any other city, I'd be in the streets protesting... on the weekends...
damn job.

That was a bold reply you made about serving proudly in the military if you were called upon. That's my problem with a lot of these people who post threads about pro-war, they throw a lot of strong words around, but when push comes to shove would they pick up a gun, leave there friends and family to travel to a strange land to fight a hidden enemy, or would they just cry Vietnam? I hear a lot of strong talk about what we should do, but I don't hear anyone talking about enlisting.

heheheheh... sorry Mark i shouldn't find it funny... Calm down!! LOL... I'm a "concienes objector" if you will, and no I dont suppourt the British military, not just because i feel sorry for the afgans, but because we've had a 25 year problem with terrorism, yes the northern Irland situation, and the negotaitions that so many had worked so hard for was dropped and wrapped up at a moments notice, to go to war for another counrty!!
My job is to keep the materail acceptable, (ie less bad langauge)... I've already said before I wont touch people's post unless there's bad langauge or something that's there just to upset poeple (eg rasicts comments)...
Feel free to say what you want, I'm not going to edit your oppinions..
I agree with chris and Rask, but the fact is it costs less money to drop food than bombs... It only takes around 20 days for someone (who's already well nurished) to die of starvation, and with winter around the corned it's even less, and there is no rush now for military action, but still they've refused to stop bombing to let food in before the roads become impassable by winter...

you better believe i'd go also, in a heartbeat. i'm sick of america-bashing. {they,d probably call me last, as i am getting to be what the military would consider an old fart, i'm 38. anyhow......i'd still go!}

when i got home from work on sept. 11 and seen on tv the sickening sight we all seen, for the first day or so, i was in shock. after that and every moment since, i've been in a increasing rage thats about to melt me down! adding fuel to my inner fire, would be the media seeming (unknowingly i hope) to add to the fear thats paralyzing alot of americans, brits, etc. I'M SICK OF IT! i work at a campus that is loaded with foreign students and we could be hit with an attack as easily as the next place, but i have not, I REPEAT, HAVE NOT, and will not, change my way of life, work, etc. one iota! especially for a terrorist sucker punch. there's been 3 or 4 anthrax hoaxes on the campus, and i can safely say, I'M NOT INTIMIDATED! i'm just gonna hold faith that good will win in the end. GOD BLESS THE USA!
P.S. i am not one of the people that go around harrassing arab-americans. just wanted to make that clear. theres some of that happening at job area (between students), and thats sad!

Originally posted by educatedfilm
hmmm... I agree about the media doing more harm than good (but that's never stoped them before)... I'm not an american though...
Can i ask why should Americans suppourt the military? What's bombing a country that's so poor the targets cost less than the bombs going to achieve? ... btw I've edited a swear word out...

christoph said as well as it can be said. my view exactly.

Originally posted by chris mood
. . . but when push comes to shove would they pick up a gun, leave there friends and family to travel to a strange land to fight a hidden enemy, or would they just cry Vietnam?

Vietnam was a stupid war. You'll get no argument from me about that.

I used to joke that if they ever called up the draft I would go off to Canada or the Caribe, but that was before I saw those two towers come crashing down. I can say with all honesty that I would go and fight if they called me up.

Originally posted by MorseRulez
P.S. i am not one of the people that go around harrassing arab-americans. just wanted to make that clear.

I know what you're saying. I have two arab-born friends and have known several others. They are perfectly reasonable people and were just as horrified as everyone else with what happened. If you've seen the pictures of the hijackers you'll see that a lot of them looked liked perfectly well-adjusted citizens, so there's no use stereotyping and ostracizing the traditional-looking Arabs.

yo Christoph
I think you covered everything real well !
Now about Vietnam what a joke! The war that should,nt,
have ever happened.
The one's that got screwed in that war was the (VETS)
Thier still getting screwed today.


Mark
The bad thing about the afgan war is you still also,
have a war going on here in the usa also!(bio)
And who knows what else............
I would say the only thing we have to fear is,
(Fear its self)<-great saying can't remember who said,
it....................?

I will never forget sept 11 2001 (God Bless America)





[Edited by skee1 on 10-19-2001 at 04:43 PM]

Martin Luther King

I think the whole bio think is psychological, cos lets face it the number of poeple who've been hurt by it (one person has died, and a 8 have developed symptoms) is less than the number of people who've died in road accidents for example... There is more of psychological aspect to it, than an actaul physical disease, as it's a new threat to people and they're not told the facts...
I dont understand the panic, anthrax is a bacterium and so can be treated by anti-biotics, isn't very contagous (cannot be passed from human to human), and there is a vaccine if the whole thing gets bigger..(the disease is very old, it not something new, it used to be called "wool sorters disease" cos poeple who used to work with sheep got it from them)..
If small pox or some viral disease was used i think i would be the first to worry, cos you cant do anything about a virus when it hits, you can only give speeded up vaccines to try to train the bodies immune system before the illness becomes full blown (that's what they do for rabies anyway), and the majority of the population hasn't been vacinated (as the disease was irradicated back in the late seventies), so you can kiss good ol' herd immunity good bye..

I think you guys should know, I may disagree with what's going on and what your saying, in the end we both want to see the poeple who did this brought to justice (by a fair trail)

I originally came to this sight to get a little insight into music theory, but I now find myself politically aroused. First off, let me say, in my opinion of course, that the media has helped to shape society into what it has become today. While I feel we need to be informed, I feel like you have to be selective about the information you let your brain absorb. There is entirely too much crap and propoganda to sift through for the weak minded...it's almost a form of brain-washing. Secondly, I served in the Army as a AH-64 Apache helicopter mechanic. ALthough I was trained for combat basics, I fortunately never had to be put into a situation where I had to kill or be killed. I never want to be in that situation. I understand the mentality of defending our homelands our liberties...but I also understand the implications of war. For those of us fortunate enough to be here with roofs over our head, food on our tables and readily available medical care for ourselves and our loved ones, we should be grateful. Most of us here have never had the threat of a foreign country shutting down our economy, strangling our food supply and killing our friends and families. This is not just about terrorism...it's about control. The US has seen this coming for a long time, we've just been complacent and blind to the possibilites. Read about the fall of Egypt and Rome...no country or empire is ever so solid that it cannot crumble. And what should not be overlooked, is that some of the greatest empires were ruined from within. So...that's my thought. As worthless as it may be to some. Look for truths...don't buy into everything the media has to say

Excellent first post. Welcome to the site by the way.

Welcome twobone


I have to agree with every thing you said.
Great Post............................


Mark

P:s Ed i don't buy the scare crap.(bio-media)
Thier over doing it on the news thats whats ,
scaring alot of people....................
They were warned a while back that all this was,
coming to America.

Originally posted by twobone
I originally came to this sight to get a little insight into music theory, but I now find myself politically aroused. First off, let me say, in my opinion of course, that the media has helped to shape society into what it has become today. While I feel we need to be informed, I feel like you have to be selective about the information you let your brain absorb. There is entirely too much crap and propoganda to sift through for the weak minded...it's almost a form of brain-washing. Secondly, I served in the Army as a AH-64 Apache helicopter mechanic. ALthough I was trained for combat basics, I fortunately never had to be put into a situation where I had to kill or be killed. I never want to be in that situation. I understand the mentality of defending our homelands our liberties...but I also understand the implications of war. For those of us fortunate enough to be here with roofs over our head, food on our tables and readily available medical care for ourselves and our loved ones, we should be grateful. Most of us here have never had the threat of a foreign country shutting down our economy, strangling our food supply and killing our friends and families. This is not just about terrorism...it's about control. The US has seen this coming for a long time, we've just been complacent and blind to the possibilites. Read about the fall of Egypt and Rome...no country or empire is ever so solid that it cannot crumble. And what should not be overlooked, is that some of the greatest empires were ruined from within. So...that's my thought. As worthless as it may be to some. Look for truths...don't buy into everything the media has to say

buying into close to nothing the media has to say, sounds a little better. as far as empires crumbling, here's one to sort out. kinda worrisome! (revelation ch. 18). is this us (USA)? the similarities are bone-chilling! the one thing i do not like about our country, is that it seems the political powers thru the years have done all that they can to boot GOD out. the end result could just be that without GOD, we are vulnerable to it all.

oh yeah, by the way. i just read on yahoo news, where another person is very ill with inhaled anthrax. so just watch the friggin media run wild with that. (no disrespect to the sick person).

Originally posted by twobone
First off, let me say, in my opinion of course, that the media has helped to shape society into what it has become today. While I feel we need to be informed, I feel like you have to be selective about the information you let your brain absorb.

Yes, society has been greatly shaped by the media, but what we most have to thank for the current state of affairs is the education system. When you want to attack a country there is no more effective way to do so than through the children. Through our "enlightened", liberal education system we have been turning out brainwashed people since the late 1960's, totally dependent on what the media and their professors tell them. And who are the media and their professors? Communists, socialists, and extremists who all hate America and the west and the freedoms that we enjoy.

Originally posted by twobone
The US has seen this coming for a long time, we've just been complacent and blind to the possibilites. Read about the fall of Egypt and Rome...no country or empire is ever so solid that it cannot crumble. And what should not be overlooked, is that some of the greatest empires were ruined from within.

Yes, the cracks are there, but it is not too late yet.

Everything comes to an end, and every empire eventually falls. The Roman Empire was around for over a thousand years, and the British Empire came and went in the blink of an eye. They both fell in the same way, the corruption of their citizens and their leaders. The US has the most powerful military that the world has ever seen, and no army would dare attack us directly (hence we have terrorism). It is from the inside, the kooks at Berkley, Harvard, and the media, that we shall fall. As it has always been, they use their own freedoms to destroy freedom and dishonor the memory of those lost to protect it.

I'm glad to hear that poeple aren't giving into the herd metality, and do see that the news to the media is a buisness not a duty, so they may have intrests in "selecting" and repeating certain facts...

Christoph: What's wrong with socialism? I mean communism is a bit extereme, and all out capatilism (where, as we saw before, you can by anything even a baby off the net) is extreme... Don't you think a reasonable middle ground is needed?, cos the poor guy who earns less than $1 a day hasn't got a chance against a Trilion dollar company like microsoft... What's wrong with a libral education?

Nice of you to join us twobone... welcome...