whats with all the screaming

To whoever made the initial post about Trivium, Matt has openly said in recent interviews that the next album will feature a lot more singing and less screaming. So yea...I'm sure it will still kick serious ass :cool:

Originally Posted by: AkiraWhat did I say?

you're describing human nature :rolleyes:

Interesting post with a lot of heated opinion....!

I have to say the older you get the more you tend to veer away from the death growl/scream type vocal. I remember reading an interview with Chuck Schuldiner from Death where he said he regretted calling the band Death and regretted being stuck with the growl vocal. In fact he said that if he could do it al again he would have had a deep-thinking rock band called 'Human'. I believe he even started a project to that effect just before he died.

What bugs me more than gruff vocals of heavy bands is childish negative lyrics. Why do 'most' death/black metal bands mostly have to sing about murder and satanic themes (like those idiots in Cannibal Corpse and Deicide)? In a lot of cases good death metal bands would actually sound a lot better without the vocals at all. Take Nocturnus for example, the music on their Thresholds album was incredible but the vocals held them back. I would have thought that by now most death metal bands would have grown up and started singing about things that actually mean something (like the changes Carcass and Death made in their approach).

Take it from me, once you have a kid you're view of the world changes and you realise how ridiculous a lot of things are. Doesnt mean I don't play heavy guitar anymore or that I don't listen to death metal... I guess I just lost respect for the negative bands and have no desire to listen to them anymore. Maybe I am just getting old!

Originally Posted by: SuperhumanTake it from me, once you have a kid you're view of the world changes and you realise how ridiculous a lot of things are. Doesnt mean I don't play heavy guitar anymore or that I don't listen to death metal... I guess I just lost respect for the negative bands and have no desire to listen to them anymore. Maybe I am just getting old!

No, I'm quite young and I feel the same way. Things ARE ridiculous. Like death metal for instance. We get it, you're dead inside. Maybe if they were positive for once they wouldn't BE dead inside.

OK if u can get your thick heads around it and give it a chance you will understand. im a zeppelin fan a rush fan skynyrd u name it. but when u get into the screaming bit.. u get a "high" if you will im not joking. especially if your playng it. i used to hate it! then i got "the talk" about keeping an open mind to all music. you get soooo friggin pumped when you get into it reallly its amazing really, how it makes you feel.

Originally Posted by: thor-2112OK if u can get your thick heads around it and give it a chance you will understand. im a zeppelin fan a rush fan skynyrd u name it. but when u get into the screaming bit.. u get a "high" if you will im not joking. especially if your playng it. i used to hate it! then i got "the talk" about keeping an open mind to all music. you get soooo friggin pumped when you get into it reallly its amazing really, how it makes you feel.

I guess he's right; it's a young person's thing. Granted, I'm a young person and I vastly prefer singing, but I'll certainly admit that listening to Lamb of God or Trivium can get my blood up. It's harder for older people (but not impossible - my guitar teacher still likes Soulfly and Fear Factory!) because, in general, I suppose their attitude towards art is more contemplative, less self-centred. I don't think there's a great deal of talent involved in screaming (though there is some), but it certainly has its artistic value!

This short video will probably make a lot of people laugh as well as say wtf, but I love it. This show I just got back from got wayyyyy out of hand, this is just a taste of what happened....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lphUEzLqRiI

If you click my sn under the video, there should be two other vids of this show, but they might not be up if you are seeing this thread tonight, you tube is prolly on a break right now so the vids need time to process.

So basically tonights rap up: Three bands dropped out of the show becuase the hardcore dancers destroyed the merch tables, kept talking smack, and backed up the smack with the hardcore dancers spin kicking and punching pretty much anyone standing around. MAny chairs and tables were thrown as well as a drum set at one point. Two friends of mine were randomly hit in the heads for no reason but its all good. Only two local bands played for the night and the show was over and the place was pretty much trashed, the best part was when two air force marines came through the door, said Holy **** and then walked out. And to top it off, a kid od'ed in the parking lot, the paramedics pumped out 31 oxy's so I geuss he attempted suicide. The only thing about this show that pissed me off (other than the three bands I wanted to see leaving) was that several chicks were hit which punches as well as kicks for no reason what so ever. And when a chick triend confronting someone about the hitting of chicks, the dude spit in her face. But other than that, the show was well worth the $10 to go see such crazyness.

I just remembered, if you look at the top of the video, you can see a chair fly by in the beginning of the clip.

Originally Posted by: elklanderccthe best part was when two air force marines came through the door, said Holy **** and then walked out.

Did they drive away in a Ford Chevy?

I'm 17 and definately more of a fan of traditional vocals, they can be aggressive, they can be angry, they can be anything, whereas screaming has a little less scope in my opinion. I'm a big metal fan and recently i've turned more into a System of a Down fan with their range of vocals, and in past records their growling and screaming it's actually quite versatile.

I'd much rather artists experiment with different vocal techniques in a single song like a guitarist might, rather than an artist screaming throughout an entire song or singing throughout an entire song.

I believe music is missing that experimental element and instead appealing to the masses, i'm sure many teenagers enjoy the screaming element of emo and new-metal because of the angst and anger released, however I think that vocals still have to be respected, otherwise it's just going to get real trashy. How loud and high can i scream "everybody should die" is what it'll get like.

Originally Posted by: RaskolnikovDid they drive away in a Ford Chevy?

Lmao, I just realized I said Air Force MArines. I meant Air National Guards, I geuss that just comes out instead :o

Originally Posted by: thor-2112OK if u can get your thick heads around it and give it a chance you will understand. im a zeppelin fan a rush fan skynyrd u name it. but when u get into the screaming bit.. u get a "high" if you will im not joking. especially if your playng it. i used to hate it! then i got "the talk" about keeping an open mind to all music. you get soooo friggin pumped when you get into it reallly its amazing really, how it makes you feel.

I myself, have never been close minded to any kind of music... ever... I listen to quite a bit of music with screaming and some growling.... I use to listen to a lot of that stuff when I was in high school and college playing baseball and basketball... it does give you an adreneline rush if you can get into it... I loved it right before I went up to bat at Tri-State University they would play the part in "Determined" by Mudvayne that goes "1,2,3... GOOO!" It got me jacked everytime.... but I don't choose to listen to it when I'm just hanging out or chilling.... like I said....

Originally Posted by: CW14That's why I dislike hardcore dancing :eek:

That's why I dislike hardcore.

Originally Posted by: CW14That's why I dislike hardcore dancing :eek:

same. Im a skanker, myself.

and whats with the lights on? I'd never dance/ do a gig with the lights on, its [U]weird[/U].

to be honest i am very neutral about this whole harsh/clean vocals thing and don't mind clean vocals at all (unless theyre whiney emo ones), but i just thought that there was a lot of growl-bashing going on in this thread and i thought there was nobody to defend it. i happen to love the power metal band sinergy (clean vocals) for it's guitar dueling solo's and original melody, as well as lots of other power metal bands. on the other hand lots of melodic death metal has a lot of that stuff too (arch enemy, at the gates, "the old entombed") and so i really got to like harsh vocals. children of bodom is one my favourite bands ever and the only power metal band with harsh vocals i've listened to and so this probably fueled my appreciation for harsh vocals. and it's no coincidence why alexi laiho chose to sing harshly as he admitted he wasn't serious about the vocals too much, but at the same time i think he had a very great "clean voice" when singing the billy idol cover "rebel yell". i kno that this whole thread has to do with expressing opinions but i'm not wrong to ask for them to stay neutral enough to be factually honest.

Originally Posted by: rockonn91same. Im a skanker, myself.

and whats with the lights on? I'd never dance/ do a gig with the lights on, its [U]weird[/U].

At this particular show, since it got so out of hand, they kept the lights on so the people could see where they're jumping out of the way to. Anyother time, they always just have the stage lights on, some bands use strobe lights or strobe flouresent lights that strobe to the music.

wow, 9 pages for what i thought was a simple question...cosmic

Originally Posted by: jiujitsu_jesus I don't think there's a great deal of talent involved in screaming (though there is some), but it certainly has its artistic value!

yes its artistic and i can say to u all now its way easier to lern to sing than it is to scream. theres alot more to think about when screaming.and if u do it right u wont damage your vocal chords so u can keep your singing voice. and in every case i know of u must know how to sing before u can scream RIGHT. so yes its artistic but dont go around thinking its "undernieth" singing cause its waaay herder to scream

i disagree, i think it depends on the person, but singing properly can be a lot harder then screaming. the thing with singing is findin your own voice and not trying to replicate any other artists voice - thats the difficult part (singing lessons will take care of the technical part of it all, but not the finding your own voice part), i can scream pretty well nowadays but i'm still mastering the whole singing part. but then again some ppl might have a natural nack for singing and find it harder to scream. its very subjective.

I disagree with thor too. THinkk of it like a guitar. When you sing with "Distotion" and "effects" it helps hide the mistakes. But if you're singing "Clean" your voice is out there with no where to hide.