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dougjt
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05/06/2010 3:00 am
Hello I am entering my 2nd year and I am becoming a little more interested in music theory, especially in scales. I have completed the fundamental courses and a little bit of the rock course. I have a basic understanding of whats going on and to my amazement can play a bit.
After taking some of Chris's lessons on the minor pentatonic scale, the 5 box's and connecting them.(that's not what he called the lesson) I played around with it and some techniques I have picked up and actually came up with some stuff that sounds like music. My question is, Do all the scales have these type of boxes and were can I find the info.(edit) also if I understand it right if I can move these boxes any were on the fretboard and they never change shape.

Thanks,
Doug
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05/06/2010 11:40 am
Originally Posted by: dougjtDo all the scales have these type of boxes and were can I find the info.(edit) also if I understand it right if I can move these boxes any were on the fretboard and they never change shape.


You answered your own question. :) Same boxes, same order. Move them around to which ever scale you need.
...so ever since then, I always hang on to the buckle.
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05/06/2010 12:58 pm
Originally Posted by: dougjtI have a basic understanding of whats going on and to my amazement can play a bit.[/quote]
Good for you. Congrats!
Originally Posted by: dougjtDo all the scales have these type of boxes and were can I find the info.

Yes, every scale type has it's own unique formula that translates into a fretboard shape you can move around the guitar at will. All 12 possible major scales have the same shape, but start on a different note.

Major scale patterns across the fretboard:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=453

In smaller chunks to practice:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=898

Minor scale patterns across the fretboard:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=887
In smaller chunks to practice:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=899

In case you haven't seen them, pentatonic major:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=722

Pentatonic minor:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=185

Connecting pentatonic boxes in various ways:
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=737
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=843
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=914
[QUOTE=dougjt]also if I understand it right if I can move these boxes any were on the fretboard and they never change shape.

Yes, the shapes are moveable. Place the root note (the circled 1) on any given note, and then you are playing the (insert name) scale in that key.

Since every scale type has a formula, you can and should apply it across the fretboard. This means that you can play the pentatonic minor scale (or any scale) starting on all 12 possible musical letters. If you play the first pentatonic box with the root note (the circled 1) on the note A you will get an A minor pentatonic scale:

E |---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|-3-|---|---|---|---|
B |---|---|---|---|-5-|---|---|-7-|---|---|---|---|
G |---|---|---|---|-3-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|---|
D |---|---|---|---|-7-|---|-1-|---|---|---|---|---|
A |---|---|---|---|-4-|---|-5-|---|---|---|---|---|
E |---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|-3-|---|---|---|---|

If you play the first pentatonic box with the root note (the circled 1) on the note B you will get a B minor pentatonic scale:

E |---|---|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|-3-|---|---|---|---|
B |---|---|---|---|---|---|-5-|---|---|-7-|---|---|---|---|
G |---|---|---|---|---|---|-3-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|---|
D |---|---|---|---|---|---|-7-|---|-1-|---|---|---|---|---|
A |---|---|---|---|---|---|-4-|---|-5-|---|---|---|---|---|
E |---|---|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|-3-|---|---|---|---|

If you play the first pentatonic box with the root note (the circled 1) on the note C you will get a C minor pentatonic scale:

E |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|-3-|---|---|---|---|
B |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-5-|---|---|-7-|---|---|---|---|
G |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-3-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|---|
D |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-7-|---|-1-|---|---|---|---|---|
A |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-4-|---|-5-|---|---|---|---|---|
E |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-1-|---|---|-3-|---|---|---|---|

And so on.

Every scale works this way on the guitar.

Learn the fretboard shape and move it around to start the root note on all 12 musical alphabet letters (A - G#) and you can play all 12 major scales with the same shape. Or minor scales, pentatonic major, pentatonic minor, or harmonic minor, etc.

Make sense?
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05/07/2010 5:09 am
Thanks For reply's ,

I figured out why I didn't see the other scale exercises. I haven't gotten their yet. Not to mention my attention span for sitting here watching vids and reading is poor to say the least lol. I got hung up on ch. 8 of rock primer 1 the hook,and have just practiced what I know and played songs until I browsed around and found the minor pentatonic box exercises. when I played around with it and came up with some sappy bluesy sounding stuff I got a little fired up and been on a mission of working scales.
Chris I browsed thru the links U posted and it was what I was looking for. I'll think I'll jump ahead a bit and come back to the hook.
Oh ya I knew 3 of the major shapes and didn't know it. I have also realized that if I play an A natural minor starting on the 5 fret of the 6th string 3 notes per string, and not play the first 2 notes it becomes a C major (if I'm correct)


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Every scale works this way on the guitar.

Learn the fretboard shape and move it around to start the root note on all 12 musical alphabet letters (A - G#) and you can play all 12 major scales with the same shape. Or minor scales, pentatonic major, pentatonic minor, or harmonic minor, etc.

Make sense?
:Unquote

Yes It makes since I just forgot which 2 notes don't have a sharp. I should Probably print out a pic of a keyboard.
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05/09/2010 6:48 am
You are welcome. :)
Originally Posted by: dougjtI figured out why I didn't see the other scale exercises. I haven't gotten their yet.[/quote]
A good reason!
[QUOTE=dougjt]
I browsed thru the links U posted and it was what I was looking for.

Good deal. Have fun with it!
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05/09/2010 5:22 pm
Thank's for your help
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