Whos better Disagreement

Originally Posted by: JFRICKNo confusion, but I'm talking about rhythm, not lead. I haven't found a BLS song I can't play yet (granted I haven't tried them all), but Dave's rhythms in such songs as Rust In Peace...Polaris, Hanger 18, are pretty tough to get the hang of.

Yeah - I have found that some of Megadeth's rhythms are more difficult to play than their solos!

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollyson:D That sounded like way more of a command than I meant it to!

Just ignore me! :)

:cool: It's all good...

I was comparing them as rhythm players b/c Dave really isn't the lead player in Megadeth, although he does play some leads...

Originally Posted by: JFRICK:cool: It's all good...

I was comparing them as rhythm players b/c Dave really isn't the lead player in Megadeth, although he does play some leads...

Ok, that's pretty fair. But then again, Zakk takes a very laid back approach to rhythm. He says himself there's not a single BLS song for which the rhythm player need be any more than a beginner.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonOk, that's pretty fair. But then again, Zakk takes a very laid back approach to rhythm. He says himself there's not a single BLS song for which the rhythm player need be any more than a beginner.

Be Careful now< (BEGINNER) I dont think so. lets leave AC/DC to the beginner

Originally Posted by: DAMAGED ONEBe Careful now< (BEGINNER) I dont think so. lets leave AC/DC to the beginner

AC/DC rhythms are harder than BLS for beginners, they've got chord changes instead of just single notes. As a beginner I would much rather have played BLS than chords.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonAC/DC rhythms are harder than BLS for beginners, they've got chord changes instead of just single notes. As a beginner I would much rather have played BLS than chords.

Man thats a whole other egg to crack open. When I started playing 25 Years ago I self taught with tuning and playing along with AC/DC, KISS, JUDAS PRIEST, BLACK SABBATH. :D

I personally see no difference in either AC/DC or BLS rythyms... As a beginner (as in just picking up a guitar) everything is hard at first. It's whatever you adapt to first really. I started on Metallica and a lot of Jimi Hendrix (among other blues players), and Dave Matthews (Chords galore). AC/DC always came easy to me... When I finally did get into BLS I found myself not even wanting to learn it... I mostly just listened to Zakk play. The BLS I have learned is all from ear and is all from just messing around with stuff that Zakk is known to do. His stuff is pretty basic... His songs are pretty known to have slow dragging rythyms and fast leads... Power chords, a few single note riffs, and a whole lot of pinch harmonics... Megadeth takes more of a Metallica approach to all there stuff... mixing it up between chords and single note riffing... As far as which is more difficult for beginners... AC/DC or Zakk... i would say for a beginner... if you want to learn some easy rythym check out some Zakk Wyldes BLS... if you want to check out some solos that are on the easier end of the spectrum (still very respectable in all respect) check out Angus' work with AC/DC... There rythyms are spotty. Some are easy to pick up and some aren't quite as easy... hit or miss really...

That's something that always kinda bugged me. People would have really detailed and tough leads, but when it came to the rhythm, they just didn't try or something. I hate that and it's for that reason that I try and make all the drums, bass, rhythm guitars, and leads in the songs I write as tough as I can. So far so good I guess because no one in one of my bands (myself included) can play any of the songs all the way through.

This may sound weird, but besides learning a few DT songs to up my chops, I prefer not to learn songs. Learning how the song is played puts the tune in a different light for me. When I hear a song I don't know how to play, I hear it as a cool melody, and as music. When I hear a song I can play, My brain just goes, you can play that, and I hear it completely different.
Maybe I'm just messed up.

Yeah, I kinda know what ya mean.
When I hear a song that I really like, I'd prefer not to know how to play it cause it kinda ruins it for me. Instead of getting into the song, all I can think of is what chords are being played.

Personally, I think beginners who want to learn rock rhythms should be introduced to AC/DC before the Black Label Society. AC/DC's stuff is much more popular and more fun to play, and the skills picked up from learning AC/DC songs can be applied to other songs and even other styles of music. You're better off learning Black Sabbath than learning the Black Label Society (in my opinion, BLS are just Sabbath with a worse singer and faster solos, anyway :p ), but if you're going to study them, it's probably best to do so after you've already got a handle on some Deep Purple or Kiss.

Yeah I can see that. When I first started to play I would listen to a song and think how hard it must be to play... Then I learned to paly it and I kind of lost that bit of respect... Also, songs that are suppose to be hard and fast don't seem so hard or fast after I learn them. My brain is able to hear the song much better since I know exactly what is being played... So the song seems to be played slower... That annoys me sometimes when I'm in the mood to listen to something hard and fast and I can't find a song that I don't know... That's why I'm real into independent music and bands that aren't really big... I haven't really learned any songs in awhile. Me and a friend have a two piece acoustic act that we do with a lot of looping and stuff. We cover some songs but we change them completely... We do a pretty cool version of Folsom Prison Blues by Johnny Cash. It's more upbeat... It's fun to play songs like that so you can still respect the original version for what it is.

Wow, so I'm not a freak. Good to know.

I usually find I'm really dissappointed when I go back to an old song I've known for years and totally loved, then decided to finally learn it.
It's like... 'is that all it is???'
It totally takes the mystery out of it and for some reason it diminishes the impact of the song.

Originally Posted by: schmangeI usually find I'm really dissappointed when I go back to an old song I've known for years and totally loved, then decided to finally learn it.
It's like... 'is that all it is???'
It totally takes the mystery out of it and for some reason it diminishes the impact of the song.

Yeah, I know where you're coming from. I can't say it's always like that for me, but y'know, as influences change.