Whos better Disagreement

Originally Posted by: DAMAGED ONEThank you all!!! :)

You're most welcome. Or maybe I'm most welcome. Jolly?

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonWell, the lead guitarist in your band is clearly deaf. Or perhaps he thinks Wylde is derivative and boring. Regardless, Wylde is a much better player than Mustaine, I have no idea where anyone gets off saying otherwise. Mustaine is certainly more important than Wylde in terms of Metal history, but that's nothing to do with his talent.

Hm... In agreeance with all that you say except I will question how Mustaine is more important to Metal history... Wylde stepping in at the age of 18 for the late Randy Rhoads was a pretty big event in the history of Metal... Megadeth, in my opinion, is a Metal band that will always be second tier... More of a cult classic than a big time Metal band.

Zakk Wylde is not just a better guitarist but also a better musician. Piano, Banjo, Harmoncica, and acoustic... He would play circles around Mustaine in any genre of music except for Metal... but I would still say he's a better Metal guitarist as well... His riffs from BLS aren't as complex as some of the ones from Megadeth but his work with Ozzie Osbourne says something entirely different... Wylde all around.

Originally Posted by: aschlemanHm... In agreeance with all that you say except I will question how Mustaine is more important to Metal history... Wylde stepping in at the age of 18 for the late Randy Rhoads was a pretty big event in the history of Metal... Megadeth, in my opinion, is a Metal band that will always be second tier... More of a cult classic than a big time Metal band.

Zakk Wylde is not just a better guitarist but also a better musician. Piano, Banjo, Harmoncica, and acoustic... He would play circles around Mustaine in any genre of music except for Metal... but I would still say he's a better Metal guitarist as well... His riffs from BLS aren't as complex as some of the ones from Megadeth but his work with Ozzie Osbourne says something entirely different... Wylde all around.

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Originally Posted by: aschlemanHm... In agreeance with all that you say except I will question how Mustaine is more important to Metal history... Wylde stepping in at the age of 18 for the late Randy Rhoads was a pretty big event in the history of Metal... Megadeth, in my opinion, is a Metal band that will always be second tier... More of a cult classic than a big time Metal band.

Zakk Wylde is not just a better guitarist but also a better musician. Piano, Banjo, Harmoncica, and acoustic... He would play circles around Mustaine in any genre of music except for Metal... but I would still say he's a better Metal guitarist as well... His riffs from BLS aren't as complex as some of the ones from Megadeth but his work with Ozzie Osbourne says something entirely different... Wylde all around.

Zakk Wylde stepped in for Rhoads and was on, like, ONE studio album. While that was a pretty big event in the history of metal, I'm talking about influence. Dave Mustaine was a founding member of two of the big four thrash bands of the late 80s, Metallica and Megadeth. Honestly, however, I don't care if you think Megadeth will always be second tier, because let the records show, the big four were Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer. Some people would call the Beatles or Mozart second tier, but that doesn't make them any less influential/important.

Regardless of all of this, at least Mustaine attempts to reinvent his style. Zakk Wylde bores me to "No More Tears," quite honestly, because it's the same thing EVERY time. The same derivative, redundant, pentatonic shred, album after album. Finally with Mafia he's at least trying a few new things, but for the most part he's fairly predictable. Sure he's fast, but if we played the same licks on everything we recorded, we'd ALL be that fast at them.

Yeah, I see what you're saying about the influencial status of Mustaine as a founding member of Metallica and Megadeth. Megadeth will always be a great band amongst the Metal culture and will sell records just because of it... But Metallica has kind of jumped out of the genre and reached audiences that aren't strictly "metal" audiences. Amongst Metal fans Megadeth is, as you said, one of the big four. I retract my statement of saying they're a second tier band... I will clarify and say that amongst the broad spectrum of musical genres they are a second tier band... amongst Metal culture they're up there right next to ironically, Metallica.

Zakk is redundant... but there's something about his songwriting ability that intrigues me. My two favorite albums by him aren't even from BLS. I like his acoustic project "Book of Shadows" and his bluegrass/blues/southern rock project "Pride and Glory". They're both out-of-the-box Zakk Wylde with different styles of guitar playing scattered throughout. Its some good stuff. His BLS stuff is mainly what gets so redundant to me.

Originally Posted by: aschlemanYeah, I see what you're saying about the influencial status of Mustaine as a founding member of Metallica and Megadeth. Megadeth will always be a great band amongst the Metal culture and will sell records just because of it... But Metallica has kind of jumped out of the genre and reached audiences that aren't strictly "metal" audiences. Amongst Metal fans Megadeth is, as you said, one of the big four. I retract my statement of saying they're a second tier band... I will clarify and say that amongst the broad spectrum of musical genres they are a second tier band... amongst Metal culture they're up there right next to ironically, Metallica.

Zakk is redundant... but there's something about his songwriting ability that intrigues me. My two favorite albums by him aren't even from BLS. I like his acoustic project "Book of Shadows" and his bluegrass/blues/southern rock project "Pride and Glory". They're both out-of-the-box Zakk Wylde with different styles of guitar playing scattered throughout. Its some good stuff. His BLS stuff is mainly what gets so redundant to me.

Yeah, let's not even begin to discuss what's happened to the big four of yesteryear. *shudder*

Of all Zakk's projects, I like Pride and Glory the best. For the most part, his rhythm work is only redundant in the field of metal. Honestly, how many pinch harmonics is enough? However, with stuff like "Machine Gun Man" and "Another Spoke in the Wheel" he really opens up with his rhythm work. Even still, his leads are the same in every genre, even when he's playing an acoustic (which, might I add, impresses me to no end...shredding on an acoustic = insane). That's personally why he's not in my top ten guitarists. But to each his own, my roomate last year was madly in love with him. I just couldn't get but so into Wylde.

I'm a fan of both, but it boils down to this in my opinion...

Zakk Wylde has much more feeling put into his music.

Dave Mustaine is much more technical.

It's all personal preference on which is more important, feeling or technicality. They are both 2 of the greatest players for different reasons.

Kind of like comparing Yngwie Malmsteen to David Gilmour. Well, that is a drastic comparison, but it's feeling vs. technicality.

I have to agree about Zakks solo on In This River. That solo just doesn't fit the song at all...

Originally Posted by: JFRICKI'm a fan of both, but it boils down to this in my opinion...

Zakk Wylde has much more feeling put into his music.

Dave Mustaine is much more technical.

It's all personal preference on which is more important, feeling or technicality. They are both 2 of the greatest players for different reasons.

Kind of like comparing Yngwie Malmsteen to David Gilmour. Well, that is a drastic comparison, but it's feeling vs. technicality.

I have to agree about Zakks solo on In This River. That solo just doesn't fit the song at all...

I fast forward that song through the solo... or just change the song when it gets to the solo... I can't stand how it comes out of nowhere... and just as fast as it came it just cuts off... It was like an unfinished project that he recorded a one take jam solo and just forgot to go back and revise it.

I know this thread is about guitar skills, but another reason I prefer Dave is because he's a much better vocalist. He has one of the most interesting voices in rock. Zakk, on the other hand, can't sing to save his life; that in itself is one of the main reasons I could never get into the Black Label Society's music.

Originally Posted by: JFRICKZakk Wylde has much more feeling put into his music.

Dave Mustaine is much more technical.

What????

I think perhaps you're getting Mustaine confused with Marty Friedman, because as far as technicality, speed, and precision goes, Zakk Wylde absolutely crushes Mustaine. I mean, it's not even close. Normally I'm pretty fair about technical debates, but here there really isn't one. Dave may have gotten better after he had time to learn a thing or two from Marty Friedman, but Wylde absolutely destroys him in technical abilities.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollyson Dave may have gotten better after he had time to learn a thing or two from Marty Friedman, but Wylde absolutely destroys him in technical abilities.

Dave has gotten much better as a result of playing with Marty. His solos on The System Has Failed are dazzling - easily as good as, if not better than, some of Zakk's best work. And I will re-state - when we're talking rhythm guitar, there's no comparison. Dave is close to the top of the heap in that field; Zakk wouldn't make my top two hundred.

Originally Posted by: jiujitsu_jesusDave has gotten much better as a result of playing with Marty. His solos on The System Has Failed are dazzling - easily as good as, if not better than, some of Zakk's best work. And I will re-state - when we're talking rhythm guitar, there's no comparison. Dave is close to the top of the heap in that field; Zakk wouldn't make my top two hundred.

I agree with the statement that Zakk's rhythm is ridiculously inferior. However, even the leads on "The System Has Failed" an album which, for the most part, I actually liked as far as guitar work is concerned, are not nearly as speedy and technical as "No More Tears" or ANY of the BLS stuff. Seriously, to say Mustaine has a better alternate picking approach than Wylde is like saying Joe Satriani has worse legato than George Harrison.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonI agree with the statement that Zakk's rhythm is ridiculously inferior. However, even the leads on "The System Has Failed" an album which, for the most part, I actually liked as far as guitar work is concerned, are not nearly as speedy and technical as "No More Tears" or ANY of the BLS stuff. Seriously, to say Mustaine has a better alternate picking approach than Wylde is like saying Joe Satriani has worse legato than George Harrison.

Wylde may be a technically superior player, but I just prefer to listen to Dave. Music maketh the musician, IMO; and not only do I prefer Dave's music to Zakk's, but I think he plays with more panache and feeling than Zakk does. Dave is not only a guitarist, but a composer; he cares about writing engaging, memorable music. Zakk is just an overgrown thirteen-year old with fast fingers; all he cares about is showing off and making money. In conclusion, I acknowledge that Zakk is the technically superior lead guitarist, but I think Dave is an all-round better musician.

Originally Posted by: jiujitsu_jesusWylde may be a technically superior player, but I just prefer to listen to Dave. Music maketh the musician, IMO; and not only do I prefer Dave's music to Zakk's, but I think he plays with more panache and feeling than Zakk does. Dave is not only a guitarist, but a composer; he cares about writing engaging, memorable music. Zakk is just an overgrown thirteen-year old with fast fingers; all he cares about is showing off and making money. In conclusion, I acknowledge that Zakk is the technically superior lead guitarist, but I think Dave is an all-round better musician.

I agree with that statement entirely.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonI agree with that statement entirely.

:) Awesome! I don't think Jolly's ever agreed with me on anything before... :o

Originally Posted by: jiujitsu_jesusWylde may be a technically superior player, but I just prefer to listen to Dave. Music maketh the musician, IMO; and not only do I prefer Dave's music to Zakk's, but I think he plays with more panache and feeling than Zakk does. Dave is not only a guitarist, but a composer; he cares about writing engaging, memorable music. Zakk is just an overgrown thirteen-year old with fast fingers; all he cares about is showing off and making money. In conclusion, I acknowledge that Zakk is the technically superior lead guitarist, but I think Dave is an all-round better musician.

I would give Dave the edge in technicallity actually... I can agree with that as well. Dave is more of a metal composer... Where as Wylde pretty much just thrashes. Both guitarists are legends in their own right... either way.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonWhat????

I think perhaps you're getting Mustaine confused with Marty Friedman, because as far as technicality, speed, and precision goes, Zakk Wylde absolutely crushes Mustaine. I mean, it's not even close. Normally I'm pretty fair about technical debates, but here there really isn't one. Dave may have gotten better after he had time to learn a thing or two from Marty Friedman, but Wylde absolutely destroys him in technical abilities.

No confusion, but I'm talking about rhythm, not lead. I haven't found a BLS song I can't play yet (granted I haven't tried them all), but Dave's rhythms in such songs as Rust In Peace...Polaris, Hanger 18, are pretty tough to get the hang of.

Originally Posted by: JFRICKNo confusion, but I'm talking about rhythm, not lead. I haven't found a BLS song I can't play yet (granted I haven't tried them all), but Dave's rhythms in such songs as Rust In Peace...Polaris, Hanger 18, are pretty tough to get the hang of.

Yeah, for the record, when we talk technicality, we're talking leads.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonYeah, for the record, when we talk technicality, we're talking leads.

Yes Sir...

Originally Posted by: JFRICKYes Sir...

:D That sounded like way more of a command than I meant it to!

Just ignore me! :)