does anybody care?

Originally Posted by: elklanderccRNA???????

RNA has been synthesized in a lab, however, it has been proven that it couldnt have randomly occured in the primordial soup.

There are chemicals that can synthesize ribose (the ribo in ribonucleic acid), but it is synthesized as a minor product and the other products it synthesizes do not allow for the construction of a strand of RNA. Enzymes also have to be present for the synthesis of ribose.

I could give you more info why it couldnt have occured in the primordial soup, but it would be going way over everybody's head and getting way too scientific for anyone to care less.

Originally Posted by: stacknyRNA has been synthesized in a lab, however, it has been proven that it couldnt have randomly occured in the primordial soup.

There are chemicals that can synthesize ribose (the ribo in ribonucleic acid), but it is synthesized as a minor product and the other products it synthesizes do not allow for the construction of a strand of RNA. Enzymes also have to be present for the synthesis of ribose.

I could give you more info why it couldnt have occured in the primordial soup, but it would be going way over everybody's head and getting way too scientific for anyone to care less.

Humor me. I'm interested in the read.

In summary here's what I've gathered from everything you've said. There's just not enough evidence to support evolution so rather than continue to research it to fill in the blanks, we should just give up and stick with God rather than continue to learn more about the world around us even though there's even less evidence to support God's existence. Hence faith.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsHumor me. I'm interested in the read.

In summary here's what I've gathered from everything you've said. There's just not enough evidence to support evolution so rather than continue to research it to fill in the blanks, we should just give up and stick with God rather than continue to learn more about the world around us even though there's even less evidence to support God's existence. Hence faith.[/QUOTE]
And furthermore, aren't science and religion sworn enemies? Stackny says:
[QUOTE=stackny]RNA has been synthesized in a lab, however, it has been proven that it couldnt have randomly occured in the primordial soup.

So you choose to believe science when it helps your theories out, but not when it proves you wrong?

See, here's the thing. To say that it randomly pops up is to say that there was nothing supporting its arrival, it just happened. Like, if a woman gave birth to a child but never procreated, then that child's birth would be pretty random. And there's scientific proof that it cannot just happen like that. However, if the right process is met, then a child will be created. So who said that RNA was randomly created? It might have very logically developed in nature. The idea of it all being at random is completely demolished by the chaos theory, so it'd probably have been a bit more coincidental than random. And coincidences deal with probability above anything else. What's the probability that a ball of rock can be swishing through space and be picked up by the gravitational pull of a star and at just the right distance be able to develop what would some day be multiple degrees of life? Pretty slim, but there's still the chance.

Besides, even the Vatican has begun agreeing with evolution.
http://www.cathnews.com/news/601/68.php
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/darwin.htm

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsSee, here's the thing. To say that it randomly pops up is to say that there was nothing supporting its arrival, it just happened. Like, if a woman gave birth to a child but never procreated, then that child's birth would be pretty random. And there's scientific proof that it cannot just happen like that. However, if the right process is met, then a child will be created. So who said that RNA was randomly created? It might have very logically developed in nature. The idea of it all being at random is completely demolished by the chaos theory, so it'd probably have been a bit more coincidental than random. And coincidences deal with probability above anything else. What's the probability that a ball of rock can be swishing through space and be picked up by the gravitational pull of a star and at just the right distance be able to develop what would some day be multiple degrees of life? Pretty slim, but there's still the chance.

Besides, even the Vatican has begun agreeing with evolution.
http://www.cathnews.com/news/601/68.php
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/darwin.htm

Check and mate. You can't believe RNA never occurs in nature and yet believe a virgin can give birth. Well, you can, it just makes no sense.

Originally Posted by: earthman buckCheck and mate. You can't believe RNA never occurs in nature and yet believe a virgin can give birth. Well, you can, it just makes no sense.

man, if I was joseph, I would've dumped that ho. I mean, he's like "yo, will you marry me?" and she's like "aight, but not yet" he's like "that's cool, I'll wait, in the meantime I won't have sex wit you" then like two weeks later she's pregnent and is trying to explain it off "no baby, I didn't sleep with somebody else! God gave me this baby." and he bought that? I'd have been like "yeah right, and the tooth fairy gave me a lmao job last night." seriously

Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsman, if I was joseph, I would've dumped that ho. I mean, he's like "yo, will you marry me?" and she's like "aight, but not yet" he's like "that's cool, I'll wait, in the meantime I won't have sex wit you" then like two weeks later she's pregnent and is trying to explain it off "no baby, I didn't sleep with somebody else! God gave me this baby." and he bought that? I'd have been like "yeah right, and the tooth fairy gave me a lmao job last night." seriously

I love it when people quote scripture like that. :p

I actually didn't mean the reference to baby Jesus with that. I just threw out the first thing that came to mind. A coincidence, if you will. And what's the probability that I'll throw something into the fray that can be associated so easily with the topic of discussion? Slim, but still there.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsHumor me. I'm interested in the read.

In summary here's what I've gathered from everything you've said. There's just not enough evidence to support evolution so rather than continue to research it to fill in the blanks, we should just give up and stick with God rather than continue to learn more about the world around us even though there's even less evidence to support God's existence. Hence faith.

The point of everything Ive said is that the most logical explaination science can come up with to how we became what we are and how we got here makes absolutely no sense, contradicts its own laws, and is based on rediculous amounts of coincidal events for these things to ever occur. Tornados dont pass over a junk yard and come out with a 747 airplane and DNA doesnt occur in nature. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by: earthman buckAnd furthermore, aren't science and religion sworn enemies? Stackny says:
So you choose to believe science when it helps your theories out, but not when it proves you wrong?

I choose to believe science when it makes sense. Has science gone to prove me wrong yet? Nope. When it contradicts itself is when I use it.

Think about what you just said anyways. How could science possibly prove me wrong? There is no scientific evidence to say there is no God. There could be scientific evidence to say that it looks like we couldve gotten here without the hand of a creator, but to this date, that evidence hasnt been found.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsSee, here's the thing. To say that it randomly pops up is to say that there was nothing supporting its arrival, it just happened. Like, if a woman gave birth to a child but never procreated, then that child's birth would be pretty random. And there's scientific proof that it cannot just happen like that. However, if the right process is met, then a child will be created. So who said that RNA was randomly created? It might have very logically developed in nature. The idea of it all being at random is completely demolished by the chaos theory, so it'd probably have been a bit more coincidental than random. And coincidences deal with probability above anything else. What's the probability that a ball of rock can be swishing through space and be picked up by the gravitational pull of a star and at just the right distance be able to develop what would some day be multiple degrees of life? Pretty slim, but there's still the chance.

Besides, even the Vatican has begun agreeing with evolution.
http://www.cathnews.com/news/601/68.php
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/darwin.htm

First thing first, DO NOT confuse me with a Catholic. I am not Catholic, I have never been Catholic, and I never will be a Catholic. The Vatican can stick it for all I care. I do not care what the Catholic church or the Vatican have to say.

Now, Cryptic. You have just said what your entire theory is based upon. Rediculous coincidal events that have no basis at all. You my friend, have as much faith as I do. Would if this happened, would if that happened, well this potentially couldve happened. Is that or is that not faith?

Also, when RNA was created in a lab, the only chemicals that compose ribose, compose it as a minor substance, and the other chemicals that these chemicals synthesize are sugars that inhibit the formation of RNA. Without the hand of some outside source in there, its impossible for natural formation. Scientists have said "well there couldve been minerals catalyzing the reaction." Well to this date, those catalysts havent been found.

Originally Posted by: earthman buckCheck and mate. You can't believe RNA never occurs in nature and yet believe a virgin can give birth. Well, you can, it just makes no sense.

Sure I can. Because RNA was put there by God, and that baby was put into Mary by God.

Originally Posted by: earthman buck

ok, but you have to remember to give me the rep points later, after you've spread some more. ok?

Originally Posted by: magicninja Can God save someone? Yes, he most certainly can. A heroin addict can turn to God and use him to get clean. It's happened before and will most certainly happen again. .[/QUOTE]

I wish I'd met you in '95. Stay away from drugs you young musicians. They are FAR from cool.


[QUOTE=magicninja]
I will always believe that when I die I'll wake up as another being oblivious to the fact that I was ever who I am now. That's all. Thank you. Have a nice day.

And strangely enough, I used to think the very same thing!

Ponder about this: What if, when you died, you just dreamed for the rest of eternity. Heaven could be a regular dream, and hell could be a bad nightmare.

Originally Posted by: elklanderccPonder about this: What if, when you died, you just dreamed for the rest of eternity. Heaven could be a regular dream, and hell could be a bad nightmare.

:eek:
You know, once I had a dream that I died, and then started dreaming when I was dead! So it was a dream within a dream...

Originally Posted by: jiujitsu_jesus:eek:
You know, once I had a dream that I died, and then started dreaming when I was dead! So it was a dream within a dream...

Creepy.......

I once had a dream that I hit my head on something and died. I continued on with my life as usual, but people couldn't see or hear me. It was pretty upsetting. Then I met George Harrison, and he gathered up some of his ghost-musician friends, and they put on a benefit concert just to cheer me up. It was cool.

Originally Posted by: PonyOneand thus the only explaination is that some guy blipped us into existence for lack of anything better to do, realized that man was lonely and so he removed one of his ribs and turned it into a woman. And more specifically, we should follow a man who we know for a fact (because a book that was written by many people based on accounts that were passed down via word of mouth for a few generations told us so) walked on water, made blind people able to see again, rose from the dead and ascended to heaven thus leaving no earthly remains because he was immaculately concieved (into a filthy, filthy woman!!! damn, why couldn't he put Jesus into a man? that would have been MORE amazing!) and free from sin... because the book tells us it's true and so it is!

Lemme know when you come up with a better explaination.