OZZY's new guitarist

for the last 2-3 months, ozzy has been looking for a new guitarist for his new CD coming out (God knows when). from what it seems, because of what happened at the NFL opening game, Ozzy has found his guitarist... Zakk Wylde!!! about time, lol.

Screw Ozzy! After him and his misfits threw eggs at Iron Maiden I won't be buying any more of his records. Ozzy should be listed on the overrated post.

Originally Posted by: bigbudaScrew Ozzy! After him and his misfits threw eggs at Iron Maiden I won't be buying any more of his records. Ozzy should be listed on the overrated post.

.....yea the list would look somewhat like this.....

6....
7....
8. Iron Maiden
9. Ozzy Osbourne

don't forget to add Metallica on there Floyd....

Originally Posted by: bigbudaScrew Ozzy! After him and his misfits threw eggs at Iron Maiden I won't be buying any more of his records. Ozzy should be listed on the overrated post.

While done in his name, I think that whole fiasco was purely Sharon's doing. Unless of course he's claimed responsibility, too.


But I'm with you on the "not buying Osbourne Franchise products" bit.

Well he is married to her so I think responsiblity automaticaly falls on his shoulders as well. It's called Ozzfest 'cause of Ozzy not Sharon, even though she is the mastermind behind his success. I think he surely knew about this.

"Senile Dementia."

I don't think Ozzy is in control or responsible for much of anything.

Then again, it could all just be an elaborate ploy, I guess.

Originally Posted by: Randal Floyd.....yea the list would look somewhat like this.....

6....
7....
8. Iron Maiden
9. Ozzy Osbourne

How exactly is Iron Maiden overrated?

Don't they have to be, you know, bad musicians?

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonHow exactly is Iron Maiden overrated?

Don't they have to be, you know, bad musicians?

All I meant was if you can say Ozzy is overrated then there is no way you can say Iron Maiden is not.

Originally Posted by: Randal FloydAll I meant was if you can say Ozzy is overrated then there is no way you can say Iron Maiden is not.

I don't understand how that follows any sort of logical reasoning whatsoever. Is it because they're both metal? But the two bands aren't even the same ERA of heavy metal, so that can't be it. Is it because they take the same approach to writing music? No, that can't be it either, Maiden's is usually a more theory based music. Perhaps it's in their melodic choices? No, any patterns Ozzy has in his melodies are certainly not present in Iron Maiden, and vice versa. Oh, I understand! It must be in their radio play! No, wait, Iron Maiden gets almost NO air time whatsoever with the exception of listener requests and obscure stations that no one but elitists listen to.

Iron Maiden-> Elitist band

Ozzy Osbourne-> Corporate radio band

I have no problem with bands being played on corporate radio, but for Ozzy to achieve his god-like status in the metal community over Steve Harris is complete idiocy. Also, for a band to be overrated, they have to be overrated, and since Iron Maiden doesn't even get radio play I think it's hard for them to be such.

I think a lot of this comes down to Iron Maiden being comprised of great musicians who a lot of people just don't get while Ozzy was great at what he did (which worked in the context of Black Sabbath and his solo stuff), but really never could have gone anywhere if it weren't for the great musicians who carried him to fame.

Originally Posted by: 3rd_degreeburnI think ozz's stuff is just as theory based as Maidens..atleast the stuff randy rhodes wrote...he was well into theory and melody.

The rich counterpoint present in Iron Maiden's instrumentals like "Losfer Words" and even their regular songs like "Number of the Beast" are something you won't find in Ozzy's music.

I'm not sure why you're putting "rich" in quotation marks, the word had no ambiguous meaning. If you can't hear the contrapuntal motion in the bass of losfer words perhaps you should do some eartraining. I'd suggest working with a piano if you can't find any exercises on the internet. Just play notes and start matching them up. Then try to play different intervals and internalize the pitches. Eventually you will be able to hear music more clearly. I'm not totally sure what you meant by "weak." Did you mean melodically or harmonically weak? Did you think it was structured incorrectly? Was the rhythm weak? I mean, 12/8 timing isn't my favorite, but I don't know if I'd call that weak...I'm just not sure what aspect you're referring to. Perhaps you consider the mixture concerning the major 6th chords weak? I personally enjoy it, but I guess mixture like that can get a bit old. The b5 chord in measure 29 may bore you as well, especially after it uses the common tone (Bb) to move into a common tone diminished chord a half step above the root. After all, common-tone diminished chords are only some of the more complex chromatic harmonies. Dee was written solely by Randy Rhodes. The discussion here is of Ozzy's music. Randy Rhodes is not Ozzy Osbourne, but is instead, in fact, Randy Rhodes.

I see what you mean about difference in tastes. The atonal howl of Arch Enemy or guitar wankery without direction is pretty awesome stuff. I mean, prefering music sans-melody certainly shows you have tastes differing from my own. Although now I'm certain you're not calling Iron Maiden's MELODIES weak, because Arch Enemy technically doesn't HAVE one since he's not singing actual notes so much as atonal screams. And don't reply with "that's the style of MUSIC lol!" because I don't care. I'm talking about harmony and melody here. I'm talking about complex, non-generic music that bothers with complexity for something other than the sake of complexity. Yeah, as much as I like to listen to this generic corpse metal or whatever it is, I have some actual melodies to appreciate.

I remember reviewing the Trivium CD "Ascension" for my college radio metal station. I didn't even bother shelving that. It sounds exactly like everyone else, just like Arch Enemy, Bury Your Dead, GZR, and all those other bands whose members try to pass off as...what's the word...musicians. I wish people would stop trying to be Children of Bodom, because it's not working out. All we're getting is a bunch of bands for teenage girls who like COB and can't tell the difference between Bodom and a bad version of Bodom.

Edit: I forgot to mention that Arch Enemy had the respect to at least try and pull off a half-assed cover of "Aces High." It's too bad the vocalist sings almost entirely wrong notes...if those can even be considered notes...or singing.

Originally Posted by: 3rd_degreeburnI've play the piano thank you...I just didnt think the counterpoint was anything special...maybe its because im used to classical type counterpoint..who knows
I personally don't care for any of the vocals in arch enemy or any of the music I listen to but to say its wankery without direction is just wrong and even though you said its awesome, I dont beleive its without direction.. Marching on Dead in Road, Wankery?? I think not, Snow Bound? wankery??? nope
Demonic science? chris solo, yes, mikes solo...not much..the last part of it no....Dead Eyes See no future? mindless wankery?? no.. SilverWing? mindless wankery? for the most part no.. I guess it just depends on who's soloing..Chris Tends to wank off more than Mike who cares more about the feeling.
Trivium sounding like Arch Enemy?? jesus dude...are you joking......Have you even listened to enough of theirmusic to make that comparison?..Iv'e heard all the arch enemy cd's and not one of them sounds like Acension or Ember To Enferno..not ONE OF THEM/
first arch enemy...now there tryin to be like Children Of Bodom?? whats next??? I seriously doubt that you have listened to enough of their stuff to even try to make a comparison...Its probably not your taste of music...Maiden isnt mind...I like some of there solos but I cant stand the singer or rythm nor can I stand the vocalist in the music I listen to.

I guess we have different opinions of wankery. I happen to believe that playing a few notes very quickly for no apparent reason is wankery. Arch Enemy tends to play a pretty decent solo for about 3 seconds before rolling straight into blazing fast idiocy without bothering with a transition. Also, I was pretty obviously being sarcastic when I said the wankery was awesome. No, I'm not joking. All these teenage-girl, hot-topic, look-at-me-I-wear-big-black-pants "metal" bands that are really just rip-off versions of COB. Yes, I compared Trivium to TWO bands! My God! How could they possibly sound like more than ONE band!? Well, perhaps the riffs sound like everything every other metal band of the day (Mastodon, Trivium, Arch Enemy, etc.). I don't even know how to classify it. To me it's almost as low as nu-metal. Music that doesn't require musicians. With melody out of the picture, the harmony can be just about anything. Apparently the best thing to use as a harmony is just a blazingly fast lick so that the notes can barely be made out and also it has none of that, you know, cleverness about it. It's what makes the difference between a Paganini and a Mozart. Guess which one is more widely considered the greatest composer of all time?

Also, Trivium is a bad form of nu-metal. Congratulations. "Like Light to Flies" is, guess what? A Nu-metal song! That insipid chorus, the wannabe-hard verse, this has all the markings of bad nu-metal! "Falling to grey," NU-METAL singing in there, too! And don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. You can recognize nu-metal vocal harmonies every bit as well as I can. "Pull harder on the whatever-the-rest-of-this-title-is" more nu-metal! Hey, you know who else besides Arch Enemy and Trivium put a fast pedal-tone guitar riff in the intro to one of their songs? Nickleback!

Arch Enemy's wankery can be summed up nicely in "Exist to Exit," though there are many other examples, such as "Dehumanization," "Nemesis," "We Will Rise," and "Dead Bury Their Dead" (OHH a pretentious fugue solo! Don't mind if I DO!). I'm not saying Arch Enemy is a bad band, they're just terrible musicians with no melodic or harmonic sense.

Im in the front row seat for this one :rolleyes:

Jolly, how old are you? It's off topic, and i'm not trying to be sarcastic, i'm just curious.

Originally Posted by: scarface84Jolly, how old are you? It's off topic, and i'm not trying to be sarcastic, i'm just curious.

I'm twenty.

And slightly back on topic: WHAT!? I thought they were gonna use the guy from Alice in Chains!

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonAnd slightly back on topic: WHAT!? I thought they were gonna use the guy from Alice in Chains!

I'm not complaining... now I don't have to feel torn between supporting Jerry and boycotting anything Osbourne.

I think Jolly should write for Guitar Magazines.