Seeing as Bush has won (the popular vote, anyway)


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11/09/2004 5:10 am
Originally Posted by: PonyOnei believe that there are other conspiracies that are at play, though.[/QUOTE]
Just like twinkies and cockroaches, conspiracies will always survive!

Sorry about the whole "liberal scumbag" thing, by the way. Really Kerry's being liberal had nothing to do with his being a scumbag. In his case, the two just happened to coincide.



[QUOTE=Leedogg]I wonder how the history books will tell the story of this era years after we're all dead?

We'll all be dead, so who cares!! :D
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11/09/2004 6:10 am
Originally Posted by: ChristophWe'll all be dead, so who cares!! :D


Hehe, indeed, who cares. As humans we're great at taking up useless causes and fighting for them tooth and nail. That'd be a just legacy to leave for our decendants. Hell, I'm probably not gonna have kids anyway.
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11/09/2004 7:32 am
Originally Posted by: DreamRyche2112Without the Patriot Act we would have no Brooklyn Bridge, so i am pretty thankful for it.


Why would there be no Brooklyn Bridge without the Partiot Act?
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11/09/2004 2:44 pm
to 3rd degree burn

Ok, blame Clinton. Clinton didn't go off to war with a nation that had nothing to do with any terrorist attack. All to divert his true failure of bringing those responcible to justice. Also, when Bush got in office he was given a report from the head of terrorism saying, "Bin Laden plans to attack within the United States". What did Bush do? He didn't even read it, he didn't even hold a meeting with his CIA head of Terrorists or any of his AL-Queda officials. Bush had the papers and means to stop the 9/11 attack, but instead he ignored them and went to cut wood in texas. But blame Clinton, you forget terrorism has been a concern for 20+ years. Clinton made mistakes, everyone does. Bush said the same thing you said Clinton said, yet Bin Laden is still living a healthy life, unthreatened by the U.S.. Bush hasn't done anything better? The point is we need someone who is going to go after terrorists and have a genuine concern for how life is here in our country. Rather than going into Iraq and trying to save them.
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11/10/2004 4:02 pm
Unfortunately , terrorists will always win :( ... You can't beat someone who's willing to die , while the the best you can do is to kill him.

War against terrorism can only be won by reason through media and communications , not by pissing terrorists and giving their leaders like OBL a reason (like the war in Iraq) to convince more of his naive students to go suicide bombing somewhere.
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11/11/2004 9:09 am
Originally Posted by: 3rd_degreeburnYou can thank the Clinton administration for imposing legal restrictions that stymied the federal government's efforts to combat terrorism

I guess clinton himself was too busy gettin a blowjob :eek: in the oral office too even care about foreign matters

Got this in an email from a military friend
"After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 people in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today."


OK.
So I'm looking at how Bush's war on terror has fared.
And the cost it has incurred.
He is NOT doing any better. In fact, on a cost benefit anlysis, he is doing a helluva lot worse than Clinton (I'm including the blow jobs in Clinton's equation, LOL).
But you guys feel he is right on the money. 59 million votes on the money (that's how many popular votes he got. If I'm wrong, insert the correct figure and move on).

The way you say Clinton didn't keep his promise, you make it sound like Bush has captured any of these terrorists. Oh, I forgot, he did, Saddam Hussein. That's the demon Clinton should have captured instead of leaving Monica to capture his you know what with her you know what.
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11/12/2004 4:04 am
I don't know if this data is even correct or not, but I thought it was pretty funny anyway... ;)

http://www.noblecustom.co.uk/bush.htm
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11/12/2004 5:03 am
Originally Posted by: SPLI don't know if this data is even correct or not, but I thought it was pretty funny anyway... ;)

http://www.noblecustom.co.uk/bush.htm


Yea, that's pretty funny dude. You don't need brains though, dubya proves that. You need a brass set, and a stubbornly narrow, myopic, divisive point-of-view so that people can get behind you and say, "well, at least you're not a flip-floppin' fag lover.
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11/12/2004 7:58 am
Originally Posted by: LeedoggYea, that's pretty funny dude. You don't need brains though, dubya proves that. You need a brass set, and a stubbornly narrow, myopic, divisive point-of-view so that people can get behind you and say, "well, at least you're not a flip-floppin' fag lover.


All I can say to that is: Amen brother! (and I'm not even Christian)
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11/12/2004 8:09 am
We don't have to make sure about the accuracy of these statistics , cuz obviously , they must be very close ! ;)

(jk,no offence to anybody here)
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11/13/2004 11:08 am
This is an article from some business column I've subscribed to.
I thought it makes for some interesting reading, for every one in general (pro or anti Bush) and in particular 3rd Degree burn, Christopher and others who are of the opinion that the president has nothing to do with the economy.
The stuff written is very debatable, depening on the side you're on, but it's good reading.
I might be breaking some copyright stuff, but heck, who's gonna sue me?(I can hear someone "...the music majors might..."). And besides, anyone can subscribe to the column if they wanted. But just to appease the copyright owners, make sure you visit our sponsors. They are at www.business2.com
Here goes:

Does a Bush Win Mean U.S. Brands Lose?
Get ready for the backlash, warns a "nation brander."
By Thomas Mucha, November 11, 2004


With the reelection of George W. Bush, American voters have spoken. Now it is the turn of global consumers. That's the opinion of Simon Anholt, a nation-branding specialist who advises government officials in Croatia, New Zealand, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom, as well as global institutions such as the United Nations and the World Bank. And according to Anholt, the coming consumer backlash isn't going to be pretty.
"This is undoubtedly the worst thing that could have happened," Anholt says of the president's reelection. "Bush has presided over a period of unparalleled decline in the popularity of the United States. Global disapproval of U.S. foreign policy has become so intense that it is spilling over and contaminating the image of U.S. brands and culture."

Before you dismiss this as the whining of yet one more blue-state crybaby, consider the big idea Anholt is pushing: Even in our fast-moving, borderless global economy, brands come with national baggage -- both good and ill. Nation-branding adherents claim this universal psychological trait is why you pay more for a German-engineered BMW than, say, a well-made Hyundai from Korea. It's also why Belgian chocolate costs more than similar stuff produced in England. Simply put, national image matters. (So do prices, consumer tastes, competitive pressures, and countless other complexities of an $11 trillion economy, but work with me here.)

Anholt says the perception many global consumers already have of "Brand America" is of a land teeming with fat, arrogant, oil-slurping, power-hungry cowboys. That's hardly an ideal tagline for a place that produces 63 percent of the world's top brands. "These next four years could witness the terminal decline of the greatest brand the world has ever seen," Anholt warns.

Fine, you might say, foreigners don't like the U.S. government's policies. What does that have to do with my company? Well, some experts assert that those angry youngsters and rising anti-Americanism are already affecting red-white-and-blue businesses. "It is absolutely hitting profits," says Cari Eggspuehler, executive director of Business for Diplomatic Action, a New York-based organization made up of advertising executives, academics, and policy wonks. "[Anti-American sentiment] is affecting companies irrespective of region or industry. It is across the board."

It's OK to be skeptical of Anholt's and Eggspuehler's claims. After all, they can't produce a single example of a brand that has been damaged so far. "It's difficult to fix the point at which 'protest' and 'guerrilla' brands like Mecca-Cola, which have a political and social importance but little economic impact, give way to changes in mass behavior which have a massive impact," Anholt argues. "Perhaps certain restaurants in Germany refusing to accept American Express cards is the thin end of the wedge. But narrow protests, in our liberal-democratic, Internet-connected age, do have a habit of suddenly blossoming into mass phenomena."

Even if you don't buy it, a smart and sensitive global marketer should consider the advice of these nation branders, because it holds up whether or not the anti-Bush case is overblown. "Run as fast as you can from Brand America,'' Anholt says. "Make your brand culture the culture of your organization, not the culture of your country." Among Anholt's other suggestions: "Forge alliances with trusted local partners in overseas markets. Invest in ethical behavior like your life depended on it. Demonstrate corporate social responsibility in every action of your corporation and your people."

Meanwhile, Eggspuehler's organization is compiling a list of best practices of leading multinationals, which is based on the assumption that the companies that succeed in foreign markets ought to know them best. It is also pushing mass corporate exchange programs, conducting new market research on globalization and anti-Americanism, and publishing books on the relationship between business and public diplomacy. Says DDB chairman Keith "You Deserve a Break Today" Reinhard of Business for Diplomatic Action's mission, "We're committed to engaging the private sector to out-recruit bin Laden."
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11/13/2004 5:06 pm
Are you guys done blowing each other?
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11/13/2004 5:22 pm
Originally Posted by: ChristophAre you guys done blowing each other?


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11/13/2004 5:28 pm
Nope, three's a crowd.
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11/15/2004 2:14 pm
Originally Posted by: ChristophNope, three's a crowd.


Hmmm... I was taught since I was a little boy that Three's Company.



Or, as I called it when I was about 5, "Three's a Company". As in, "Grandma, 'Three's a Company' is on!"
... and that's all I have to say about that.

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Originally Posted by: SPLI don't know if this data is even correct or not, but I thought it was pretty funny anyway... ;)

http://www.noblecustom.co.uk/bush.htm



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11/15/2004 6:07 pm
Originally Posted by: PRSplayaYes! I live in the dumbest state! :D


LMAO! That just means you should have an easier time to be the smartest in your whole state. How many people can say that?
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11/15/2004 8:50 pm
Is it just me or are those averages really low? I thought 120 was the average IQ.

Does anyone know how the US's average IQ compares to other places? Do I need to move to Australia or something?
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11/15/2004 8:53 pm
It depends on what test and the standards , but I think the global IQ average range is between 90-100 .
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11/15/2004 9:03 pm
I live in one of the smartest red states! Yay!

I have to wonder about the statistical accuracy of that info though. The chances of getting a good sampling of people from all across the spectrum, in terms of education, age, etc, is very slim.

Although education level does not necessarily correspond positively to IQ (there are some pretty stupid people with college degrees these days), most IQ tests are geared towards people with college degrees. These peeps are used to taking that kind of tests, and since the percentage of college grads in the blue states tends to be higher, the IQ scores will also tend to be higher. Most of those snooty, uppity blue-state types will do better on those kinds of tests, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily smarter. I'd like to see them try to do something useful, like fix an engine, or install a new water heater.
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