effects of music

there is a mother and farther of a girl that killed herself about a month ago are blaming her death of bands such as Blink 182 etc. in particual 'Adam's song'.
now i don't really like Blink, but i don't think that listening to them would cause me to kill myself.
i do believe that music does have a effect on us to some point, but not to this extent.
the parents of the girl are blaming the whole thing on this music, saying that she would not have killed herself if she didn't listen to this music.
what do you guys and gals think of this?

I think if people kill themselves over music(or if parents suspect that)they're stupid and probably troubled in the first place.
But to blame it on such non-depressing band like blink,(i dont like them either)is just probably because the parents dont like the band or are sick bastards that think they can sue the band and get thousands of dollars.
That's just my opinion.

I read that people DIDN"T kill themselves in reference to Metallica's "Fade To Black", so depending on who the person is and if they are mixed up in drugs, then who knows what any song could do.

Originally posted by Tele Master
I read that people DIDN"T kill themselves in reference to Metallica's "Fade To Black", so depending on who the person is and if they are mixed up in drugs, then who knows what any song could do.

I agree completely. Drugs and bad parenting screw kids up, not music (or video games, but that's another matter).

Originally posted by Number of the Beast

Originally posted by Tele Master
I read that people DIDN"T kill themselves in reference to Metallica's "Fade To Black", so depending on who the person is and if they are mixed up in drugs, then who knows what any song could do.

I agree completely. Drugs and bad parenting screw kids up, not music (or video games, but that's another matter).

See this si probably the only intellegent talk about suicide in music.
That'll show:Mothers Against Music

Nothing new here, a lawsuit was filed in a case against Ozzy Osbourne over a teen who committed suicide and had scribbled the lyrics to Ozzys' Suicide Solution in his suicide note. I believe the courts voted against the victum. I believe similiar lawsuits were filed against Judas Priest, Marilyn Manson, and ac/dc.

There's something to be said for taking responsibility for yourself. I watch violent movies and play violent video games all the time, but I don't go around killing people.

i know its nothing new, people have been blaming music for ages, i was wondering what you thoughts the effects of music are, and maybe how it has affected you.

The effect of music (at least in my life) has been nothing but positive. Got me through some hard times.

Being a parent myself, I can only imagine what those parents are going thru, when things like this happen people always want to find a cause, some evil outside influence to pin it on, if it was only so easy, the human psyche is way too complex for simple answers and mentally healthy people are not compelled to suicide by something as simple as music, not to say that music doesn't have an emotional effect, but not to that extreme, their has to be more going on in a person's life to drive them that far..........

Well, among all the stuff I like, I am listening to Tool, Tricky, Massive Attack, NIN, early Manson, Alice In Chains and I am still alive and living a happy and pretty healthy life(exluding Friday nights :D )...So you see what I mean.

Originally posted by pstring
Being a parent myself, I can only imagine what those parents are going thru, when things like this happen people always want to find a cause, some evil outside influence to pin it on, if it was only so easy, the human psyche is way too complex for simple answers and mentally healthy people are not compelled to suicide by something as simple as music, not to say that music doesn't have an emotional effect, but not to that extreme, their has to be more going on in a person's life to drive them that far..........

Well, there has been one man effected by music in history, but he didn't kill himself. Charles Manson. He had issues in the first place though. It's gotta be hard on the parents, but to blame music is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Christoph
[B]There's something to be said for taking responsibility for yourself. I watch violent movies and play violent video games all the time, but I don't go around killing people./B]

But you can't definitively disprove a connection between watching violence and violent behaviour. Advertisers spend billions yearly based on the principle that people are influenced by what they see!

Originally posted by iamthe_eggman

Originally posted by Christoph
[B]There's something to be said for taking responsibility for yourself. I watch violent movies and play violent video games all the time, but I don't go around killing people./B]

But you can't definitively disprove a connection between watching violence and violent behaviour. Advertisers spend billions yearly based on the principle that people are influenced by what they see!

I agree, people are influenced by what they see, and I think a lot of violent movies give the message that violence is NOT a good thing, even if they don't intend to. For instance, no sane individual would think 'Yeah wouldn't it be cool to crush someone's head in a vice' after watching 'Casino' - they would think about how any society with that level of violence should be avoided at all costs. Similarly, nobody with any sense would say 'lets join the army and experience that for myself' after watching Appocalypse Now...the violence in that film sends out a message about the horrors of war. I see the point about negative violence in films...it's a shame to see so many tactlus gore-mongering movies where the violence is used gratuitously and is effective only on teenagers who want to see how far they can grose themselves out.

Some people take violence to a dangerous level, I think it really depends on strenght of the person and whether or not they have grown up knowing better than to use violence to solve a problem. I've had people tell me I must fancy myself as a hard ass because I do martial arts, and that the sorts of people who practice fighting-sports dont know better than to use it outside the ring.....both comments are bull****. I know that beating someone up just because they have annoyed me or disagreed with would only get me in deep trouble - I may feel like doing it sometimes but I have enough self-control to stay level-headed at a time like that. Similarly I know better than to listen to Radiohead tell sing 'kill yourself for recognition' and then go and do it. There's no solution or future in being dead.

I think that music helps people that are depressed or whatever rather than encouraging them to be that way. It's good to hear a singer speaking lyrics that are as though they wrote them for you. It's more likely they almost got through it because of the music.

^Chacron^..I love Casino..great movie.
You should check out sammyfranco.com or warriorcentral.com if your into self defense...real good stuff.Senshido(Senshido.com) is another great school of defense and thought.

I remember the montel show where he had the parents of/and victims who were attacked,raped e.c.t by individuals who blames what they listened too.Of course they brought up slayer.First of all,the lyrics that "drove" the kids to killing were narrative and simply telling a story/event taking place.There were no orders or incentive within the music.The girl that killed herself over a pop182 song(what a lousy thing to die for huh?)killed HERSELF!The people in these cases had severe emotional problems.Its strange though because I was diagnosed with severe depression and anxiety,yet I listen to death/black and dont kill myself or murder people.Why?Because I'm not a dumbass and have a bit of common sense.These people had there intentions decided,they simply fixated(meditated)on music that fed there thought process(which could be rap,rock,country,blues,classical e.c.t).

meh I'm done later!
\m/

Originally posted by iamthe_eggman
But you can't definitively disprove a connection between watching violence and violent behaviour. Advertisers spend billions yearly based on the principle that people are influenced by what they see!

Good point. Speaking of which, I need to go out and buy that new pair of Reeboks.