A little respect, that's all

Yup. :) Great movie.

at least ozzy is smarter than bush.


(it took bush five minutes to realize why stevie wonder wasn't waving back)


if the world was run by musicians, imagine the groupies...

Who we're the raptors playing?
People are stupid,you know.I mean,it wasn't an international game or anything!Where does the nationality come up?
It's stupid.
But then again,stupidity is universal.Try and learn to deal with it.
*shrug*

Lalimacefolle, I just heard about that. I have some friends in France and when I stayed there a few years ago I heard a bit about that guy. Will be very worrying if he gets in, but I doubt he'll beat Chiraque (sp?). Of course, the family I stayed with are Jewish, so I don't exactly have to tell them which way to vote.

Originally posted by kingdavid
Who we're the raptors playing?
People are stupid,you know.I mean,it wasn't an international game or anything!Where does the nationality come up?
It's stupid.
But then again,stupidity is universal.Try and learn to deal with it.
*shrug*

They were playing the Pistons I believe

Originally posted by Bardsley
Lalimacefolle, I just heard about that. I have some friends in France and when I stayed there a few years ago I heard a bit about that guy. Will be very worrying if he gets in, but I doubt he'll beat Chiraque (sp?). Of course, the family I stayed with are Jewish, so I don't exactly have to tell them which way to vote.

what's worrying is that we are choosing the equivalent of the congress in a few months, and if people vote the same way, we'll have a far right prime minister (since he is usually choosen in the french congress' majority)

I think that this (the vote in france) is the straight result of the mass arab immigration into the France..
I heard that in few cities whole quarters became muslim and probably many people dont like it too much.
I also heard that a few jews do support this guy because he is against the muslims who are causing alot of problems to the jews in France...
I think that we will see the right extrimist getting more and more power in europe during the next few years because europe becomes slowly but surley muslim and people dont like it..
(im not starting another arguement here. just my opinion on the subject)

Detroit is a pretty nasty town. Plus, if you consider the type of people that usually go to sporting events, then you've got a recipe for disaster.

You're right, Pony. They've mistakenly blamed Canada for their problems. They should be blaming the unions. They've effectively screwed themselves by artificially driving up production costs and forcing companies across the border.

Zeppelin, I'm not going to start an argument here (and to an extent you are right, the immigration in France from north africa is causing a lot of racial tension), but can see why that comment could be seen to be pretty inflammatory? It's just amatter of phrasing really, because I mainly agree with you, but I'm just suggesting maybe be a little more careful about what you say so that people don't get too worked up.

UNIONS
I hate unions.Not per se,but for the reasons they exist(and to paraphrase someone else on this forum,I'm using this statement loosely).Because I believe that if I'm an employer,I should be able to do my employees right without being "prompted".
FRANCE
Zidane is probably the best player on the French national team(soccer,duh!).He was born in Algeria.And it's not that his French mother was vacationing in Algeria and just happened to deliver while there.
The way people should deal with issues ought to reflect that they,like all homo sapiens,have a 1500cc brain.
And I'm not saying immigration is not a problem.
And speaking of Zidane,Reial Madrid won their first leg semi-final at against Barca 2-0,at The Nou!
WOOOO HOOOOOOH!!!!!
Manchester's gotta be scared.

[Edited by kingdavid on 04-24-2002 at 02:33 AM]

Bardsley: you are kinda right about my phrasing. i know my post turned out to be realy angry.
The problem is that the majority of the people will call you racist if you tell them you are against immigration, but those are facts. immigration from non developed countries to europe and the usa wont make those countries better because new culture will be brought and stuff like that , but much worse because immigration of million people from africam countries or any other 3rd world country will bring to the country which theyve immigrated to million of people who request job+ have almost no skills, the crime rises automaticly and here the problems only start to rise..

I didn't read all the posts, but I agree with mainly everything I've read. You should show some respect for other countries. Some countries do ridiculous things, but that isn't a reason to 'boo' at their pride. But you shouldn't take it too hard, it was probably just a bunch of frustrated kids trying to provoke some reactions. I personally wouldn't give a s*** if they booed our national anthem, cuz it simply sucks :) (Still, I try to be as chauvenistic as possible)

About the Immigration thingy. A country needs to get it population in balance. More people decide not to get children these days and people live longer then ever before. So the populatian is dropping, how do they solve this ? By accepting alot people from other countries who want to live in your country. Doesn't mather how much you dislike immigration, it IS neccesary to keep your country up and running. And yes, I admit they let people in without considering the consequenses (adapting, language problem, etc.etc.) I don't know how it is in your country, but all these crazy politicians in Belgium want to make the life of the immigrants as good as possible. So what do they do ? They want create a special TVchannel for them in their own language or make social neighbourhoods for those only people where they can live how they are used to in their country, etc. etc. How the f*** can they ever adapt to the habits/language/... of the country when they are living in their little artificial homecountry ? They get everything they want. But where it comes down to is that they don't find a job because they don't speak the language, etc => then the frustration comes, stealing, gangforming,... It's just wrong not to FORCE the people to adapt because people from other countries in the same strange country look company with eachother so they rarely learn how the system works. And who has to pay the price ? The nice civilians who chose the politicians to spend their money on good purpose. I am certainly not a racist(now that's a cliché :) ) , I'm just observing what goes wrong now the barriers of the countries are fading and globalising is taking the upper hand. I'm also not saying it's always like this because I know alot of immigrants who DID succeed in adapting. It's a shame the rulers of the country let it slowly rot away.

Gulder is absolutely right. The only reason why politicians always go out of their way for immigration is because immigrants serve as easy votes. Give them a few handouts, and they'll vote for your party for life. I don't know about Belgium, but here in the U.S. we have a major battle going on right now for the immigrant vote. In fact, it's been going on for the last ten years. One party promises this silly program . . . another party promises amnesty for illegals.

As you pointed out, when population begins to decline, immigration is necessary to maintain the balance of the country. Basically, you need immigrants to fill all the vacant jobs.

So there's nothing wrong with immigration in and of itself. It's when you have a massive influx of people who aren't adapting to the society or learning the language that you have a problem. And the reason why they haven't adapted to the society is because greedy politicians have made it possible for them to survive without doing so. Politicians generally just care about getting re-elected. They could care less about the long term effects that their decisions will have on the country.

That's why I learned english. I was born in the province of Quebec in Canada. We speak french and we are fighting to keep it that way. The only thing is that Canada has two national languages which are french and english.

I wanted to learn english so I could speak the same language as my fellow canadians and understand what Pamela Anderson says in Baywatch! Come to think of it, the show was better when I didn't understood a word... :)

A lot of french canadian feel like they are threated like immigrates in their own country since English is gaining a lot of ground in Quebec with the arrival of immigrates.

Just think about it, let's say you're born in the US and you can't get served in english at the store! That's the social war I was talking about earlier.

I don't have a problem with it since I speak both languages but there better not be someone telling me I can't speak french in my own town. That would tick me off a bit.

oooooh...
I completly missed out on this thread... I thought you all were having a dig at Wheetass's cover of "a little respect".. seriously *feels dense*...
About imagration... Imigration is going to be necicary here in the UK, becuase the birth rate is declining, the average age of the population is going up, up, and away. And there will be too many poeple on pensions for the working to suppourt, so they're having to introduce a green card like system... they're also trying to staff, more and more doctors... that's how we've been here for 12 years, adn could get british passports within 12 months or so. We've payed our taxes through the years, and with out boasting or being arrogant it's certainly more than the average guy pays.

About cultures... I'm not sure, the hardest working two races i've mixed with (and this is big generalisation) are the indians and the egyptains. It's seems becuase of the over crowding and the competition for the places be it in schools/ unis/ jobs etc etc they work extremly hard. However Asians over here do get some racials abuse, and indains do get shtick.. becuase they're lazy? they're not contributing? no, it's cos they're veiwed as outsides competeing with the "true britons"... Which is all aload of bollox..

Imagration has always been a big problem, either it's because there's too much crime, or too many tops jobs seen going to "outsiders"... Imigrants sadly, have nothing to do for up to 18 months... in some of the glasgow places where i've lived (and have recently been reaserched), there are engineers, doctors, poilots etc etc, who are sitting on thier arse most of the day trying to live on food coupons, and not allowed to work (the coupons systhem is being scraped, which i'm very glad of).... Now imagine 14 to 25 year old men from ANY race or background with nothing to do for 18 months, other than hang out in groups... there's gonna be trouble simple as that. It's the same anywhere,give young men nothing to do, and your gonna get crime, nothing to do with race or culture or whatever.
The immagration thing is pretty emotive too, no one want some moocher to come in, suck up tax payers money just to be sent to prison, where he'll also suck up more money. But how true is that idea? No one can really put a scale on such things. Ofcourse the british unemployed should come first, but you cannot turf out a family of 5 from Afganistan because some proudly british junky wont hold down a job.
In france the arabs are pretty much like the asains here... There seem to have been periods of imagration, where people have settled together, and areas have become part of the old country... I Lived on Alison street in Glassow, and the signs were in Urdu and Panjabi, and quite a few poeple in the street simply didn't talk english, and the fact that I didnt speak any Urdu or panjabi didn't help (well... I new a few rude words from the kids form school, and a few things, but that was it)... and soem poepe feel very uncomfortable with that, they feel like they're outsiders.
Phew... sorry about the rant.

I must say that I'm all for immigration, and Australia is a migrnat country anyway - I challenge anyone to say that anyone other than the indigenous Aborigines are any more or less Australian than anyone else. To become a citizen of Australia you have to prove that you are skilled and will contribute to the country - so immigrants have to do more about helping the country than those of us born here.

I read in the newspaper the other day that illegal immigrants in Australia are sent to large camps in the interior of the country. Basically the article explained that these harsh measures are taken because there are some billions of people crowded in China that could possibly simply flood into Australia by the millions if it was possible. It seems like a legitimate concern, but I don't know much more about the situation besides this. Could you shed some light on it Bardsley?

In Canada (Well Quebec at least), the age pyramid is reversing. That means the same situation as in the UK, less and less worker, more and more old folks (no disrespect intended, I just can't think of the politicaly correct word for them, french guy!). The health system is going downhill, there's not enough Doctors. This is a real problem. The thing is that there's still a high level of unemployment in far regions where I live. I can't figure that one out yet....

No offense, but I think you guys are running out of doctors because of the socialization of your medical system, not because of an increase in demand. Plain and simple, no one wants to go through the intense hassle of becoming a doctor if there isn't enough economic payoff. Left alone, the medical system would automatically produce enough doctors to fill the increasing demand; because as the demand increases, prices/wages would increase. More prospective doctors would be lured in to claim the increased payoff, and things would come back to equilibrium.

But in a socialized system, there's no increase in wages/prices to match the increasing demand of the higher proportion of old folks. It's the effective equivalent of a price cap. And as we all know, price caps create shortages.

Ed: you right when you say the the government should care about all the citizens in the same way, but dont forget that no one urged to those peole to immigrate into england...
I can uderstand why people dont like immigrants:
When theres a certain unemployment rate in england or france , why should they accept the immigrants who are ready to work for less money than any french or "briton" it will only raise the unemplyoment rate even more.
I also think it is realy realy bad (and it will cause alot of trouble to europe countries sooner or later) that all those assian immigrates wont even try to be like the europeans and to become part of europe. Dont you think its a bit strange when theres an algir inside france and pakistan inside england??? they dont even try to adopt because they can live just fine as they lived in their home countries and why is that? greedy politicans (sheerak in france for example) allow them to do this just to get their voices in the elections.
At the end you have millions of immigrants inside a european country who support their home country more then the country they live in, (and in the case of the muslims immmigrants it is often opposed to the official position of the specific state) and they creat dangerous situation when europe countries will become radical just like the middle east ones just because politicans will look for more voices of the immigrants.
Look at France: all the acts of vandalism there against jewish centers and sinagouges.. who stands behind all those attacks? the immigrants from algir and other north africa countries and the government havent done anything about it yet. Why? because they need the support of the muslims inside france...
No wonder that now even jews choose la pen (sp?) who seems to be the only person in france who will stop the muslim vandalism..