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Originally Posted by: tehplatypusthe bible is almost equally degrading to women as porn is. porn, i find, is more degrading to both sexes, though....while the bible is more favorable towards men.


you're offended by sex. you and every other christian in the known world can thank st augustine for that one. look him up sometime....he was basically a huge swinger....think casanova...but then converted over to christianity and was born again....he was one of the biggest anti-sex people in the church. more than likely had STD's too. actually if i'm not mistaken it goes from st augustine to thomas aquainus?

but whatever, i think i get way too into the history of stuff....but that's because i like to know context and have understanding.

:) How is the bible degrading to women? Proff of this would be really cool y'know.

People are always saying this but they never give any kind of prrof as to how it is degrading towards women.

I tell you this, for every verse that the bible gives, telling women to submit to men, there is also IMMEDIATELY following this a warning to men to also do likewise.

The verse most poeple love to quote as proof that the bible is degrading to women is Eph 5: 22 which says that women should submit themselves to their husbands. But check this out, most ppl will not go past this cuz it still goes on to say that men shoudl LOVE their wives as Christ loves the church.

Christianty does not give men free reign over women. it does not condone treating women brutally. In fact it extols the virtue of a woman who is godly. Just check out Prove 21: 10- the end which describes how great a woman that is virtuous is.

Also check this out; if you LOVE your wife/ girlfriend, wont she do all taht she can for you? She has "submitted" to you, not as a slave but she recopgnizes taht you are the head of the house or the relationship.

So iask again, where is proof that hte bible is degrading to women. When presenting an argument, give both sides of it, show proof of your argument and then give your conclusion.

Have a blessed day ya'll.

Originally Posted by: bunmiadefisayoThe verse most poeple love to quote as proof that the bible is degrading to women is Eph 5: 22 which says that women should submit themselves to their husbands. But check this out, most ppl will not go past this cuz it still goes on to say that men shoudl LOVE their wives as Christ loves the church.

Loving something and submitting to it are entirely different and in no way equal. Lots of people love their dogs (who submit to them), but you're out of your ****ing mind if you think there's any equality there.

she recopgnizes taht you are the head of the house or the relationship.

The idea of man being the head of the house or relationship is degrading to women as it forces them into an inferior support role like a horse.

The entire concept of Eve having been made from part of Adam for the sole purpose of being a helper to man is degrading to women.

actually, eve was made from adam to be a companion to adam. because god said "it's not good for man to live alone"

I was a christian my whole life, so I know a thing or two about it. I know all the stories. why do you think I have CHOSEN to not follow christianity now? well, despite what jolly may say, no it wasn't just because my girlfriend broke up with me. but it did really open my eyes. and I started seeing things in a new light. I couldn't just blindly trust anything anymore after that, I had to know what it was all about. so I looked back on everything I had been taught in sunday school or church, and it really doesn't make much sense. believing in some god out there. I mean, when I was at one sunday school, the youth pastor was going around asking people why they believed in God.. for most, they said "well, he's just always been there for me" or "because he's answered my prayers"... how do you know those answered prayers are coincedences? I mean, why else would some prayers be answered, and not others? don't start on me with the "well, God knows what's best for us, so sometimes he has to say no in our best interests" because it doesn't always get better because he said no to the prayer. and the whole "he's always been there for me" thing.. now, having a hope to hang on to may have pulled you through, but that doesn't mean he's there. he didn't do anything for you. you pulled yourself through with that hope of a God.

if you ask alot of christians about other religions, they wouldn't be able to tell you much about other religions.. so if you don't even know what other religions believe in, how can you be so deadsure that you're religion is right? it's because it's what you've been taught your whole life.. but that doesn't make it right. some people have been taught evolution since they were little, and now they are deadsure it's right too... but you obviously can't both be right. if you would really open your eyes, stop being so hard-hearted, and really look into it, you may come up with the same conclusion I did. of course, I still couldn't prove there is no God, and I couldn't prove evolution is real either (I still don't believe in evolution btw) right now I don't really believe in anything. I know that I'm here, where I am right now, doing what I'm doing right now, and I just live out one day at a time.

Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsactually, eve was made from adam to be a companion to adam. because god said "it's not good for man to live alone"

I was a christian my whole life, so I know a thing or two about it. I know all the stories. why do you think I have CHOSEN to not follow christianity now? well, despite what jolly may say, no it wasn't just because my girlfriend broke up with me. but it did really open my eyes. and I started seeing things in a new light. I couldn't just blindly trust anything anymore after that, I had to know what it was all about. so I looked back on everything I had been taught in sunday school or church, and it really doesn't make much sense. believing in some god out there. I mean, when I was at one sunday school, the youth pastor was going around asking people why they believed in God.. for most, they said "well, he's just always been there for me" or "because he's answered my prayers"... how do you know those answered prayers are coincedences? I mean, why else would some prayers be answered, and not others? don't start on me with the "well, God knows what's best for us, so sometimes he has to say no in our best interests" because it doesn't always get better because he said no to the prayer. and the whole "he's always been there for me" thing.. now, having a hope to hang on to may have pulled you through, but that doesn't mean he's there. he didn't do anything for you. you pulled yourself through with that hope of a God.

if you ask alot of christians about other religions, they wouldn't be able to tell you much about other religions.. so if you don't even know what other religions believe in, how can you be so deadsure that you're religion is right? it's because it's what you've been taught your whole life.. but that doesn't make it right. some people have been taught evolution since they were little, and now they are deadsure it's right too... but you obviously can't both be right. if you would really open your eyes, stop being so hard-hearted, and really look into it, you may come up with the same conclusion I did. of course, I still couldn't prove there is no God, and I couldn't prove evolution is real either (I still don't believe in evolution btw) right now I don't really believe in anything. I know that I'm here, where I am right now, doing what I'm doing right now, and I just live out one day at a time.

Belief in God is a very personal thing. Its not something taught in church at all, in fact it cant even be "taught". You will find people (myself included) who have been going to church for years but have absolutely no belief in God. The choice to believe is yours and yours alone. God will wait, he wont stop being God.

God did not come to set up a new religion, man did that. We were just supposed to believe first and accept. That is the only condition. We never have to give money or do fancy rituals or have a "church time".

Many christians find it hard and they get into situations and get discouraged and start to doubt when things do not go the way they thought it would go. They want to "work" at being christian. This is something we simply cannot do since being a God-believing person is so against our human senses. We were not called to "work" at being a christian, it is simply by faith.

Church is not something that we are forced to attend once we become believers. The reason that going to church is advocated is simply to bring a person in touch with other people who believe in God so that you can be encouraged. You wont lose heaven just cuz you decide to stay at home, so far as you stay at home and believe.

In short belief in God is not something that we are taught or have to work at. its a decision that we make when we come to a point in our lives and God reveals himself to us.

Long post but there are a few things i had to set straight. :)

Originally Posted by: tehplatypusthe bible is almost equally degrading to women as porn is. porn, i find, is more degrading to both sexes, though....while the bible is more favorable towards men.


you're offended by sex. you and every other christian in the known world can thank st augustine for that one. look him up sometime....he was basically a huge swinger....think casanova...but then converted over to christianity and was born again....he was one of the biggest anti-sex people in the church. more than likely had STD's too. actually if i'm not mistaken it goes from st augustine to thomas aquainus?

but whatever, i think i get way too into the history of stuff....but that's because i like to know context and have understanding.

Porn represents beauty, whereas the bible represents brutally murdering people for picking up sticks on sunday. (Legal) porn is done consentually, whereras the bible encourages mass infanticide, genocide, and the taking of prepubescent sex slaves. Porn is a great way to blow an hour, whereas the bible frequently provides justification for murder. Porn doesn't hurt anybody, whereas the christian church tortured people to death for disagreeing with it for around a thousand years.

LMFAO!

Tell these things to any self respecting Christian women, and most women who have any moral values and I think youd get a very strong disagreement.

Hammurabi, what part of the Bilble you been reading?! Lets see a little scriptural fact behind your rather strong claims. Bible provides justification for murder? Eye for an eye? Yep, justification for a murderER......You my friend are just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsactually, eve was made from adam to be a companion to adam. because god said "it's not good for man to live alone"

I was a christian my whole life, so I know a thing or two about it. I know all the stories. why do you think I have CHOSEN to not follow christianity now? well, despite what jolly may say, no it wasn't just because my girlfriend broke up with me. but it did really open my eyes. and I started seeing things in a new light. I couldn't just blindly trust anything anymore after that, I had to know what it was all about. so I looked back on everything I had been taught in sunday school or church, and it really doesn't make much sense. believing in some god out there. I mean, when I was at one sunday school, the youth pastor was going around asking people why they believed in God.. for most, they said "well, he's just always been there for me" or "because he's answered my prayers"... how do you know those answered prayers are coincedences? I mean, why else would some prayers be answered, and not others? don't start on me with the "well, God knows what's best for us, so sometimes he has to say no in our best interests" because it doesn't always get better because he said no to the prayer. and the whole "he's always been there for me" thing.. now, having a hope to hang on to may have pulled you through, but that doesn't mean he's there. he didn't do anything for you. you pulled yourself through with that hope of a God.

if you ask alot of christians about other religions, they wouldn't be able to tell you much about other religions.. so if you don't even know what other religions believe in, how can you be so deadsure that you're religion is right? it's because it's what you've been taught your whole life.. but that doesn't make it right. some people have been taught evolution since they were little, and now they are deadsure it's right too... but you obviously can't both be right. if you would really open your eyes, stop being so hard-hearted, and really look into it, you may come up with the same conclusion I did. of course, I still couldn't prove there is no God, and I couldn't prove evolution is real either (I still don't believe in evolution btw) right now I don't really believe in anything. I know that I'm here, where I am right now, doing what I'm doing right now, and I just live out one day at a time.

You know, Ill be honest with you. I became a Christian because I was brought up that way. The faith was already put into me because that is what I was taught. But I have since had my views challenged and really had to think about them. To me, the Bible is the only religion that isnt corrupt. The rules are set in stone and pretty easily understood. The Muslims wage war on everyone who doesnt believe, the Catholics think you can buy your way into heaven, yadda yadda yadda. The Bible says "love thy neighbor." I see prophecy already taking place today. Look at our situation in the middle east with the Jews and Palestinians. The Bible tells us all the Jews will return to Israel and they will rebuild the temple. Well, the world isnt exactly pro-Israel and theyve already had talks of rebuilding the temple. Countries such as France are already running Jews out of there. Scientfically, the Bible could make sense if the events found in the Bible occured. As we've had this discussion before, the events basically would have had to occur in an unscientific manner, but afterwards you could apply scientific methods. There is so much proof of the existance for a God, and I choose to have faith and believe in Him. I wouldnt give up on my faith because some chick dumped me cuz shes a loser and wanted to date my best friend. Though it might seem God is against you, maybe its not you whos the problem its her.

Originally Posted by: stacknyHammurabi, what part of the Bilble you been reading?! Lets see a little scriptural fact behind your rather strong claims.

That's a fair request. Here is a little something I assembled last year.

Bible provides justification for murder?

The evidence of this claim is simple history.

Originally Posted by: tehplatypus

you're offended by sex.

That's quite an assumtion to be making.

Originally Posted by: 6strngs_2hmbkrsactually, eve was made from adam to be a companion to adam. because god said "it's not good for man to live alone"[/QUOTE]
God also made Eve because Adam was lonely. And this raises question. Did God give Adam genitals before he created Eve? The sole purpose of them is to reproduce and for what reason would God give Adam the necessary parts if he wasn't originally planning on a mate?

Originally Posted by: Stackny
You know, Ill be honest with you. I became a Christian because I was brought up that way. The faith was already put into me because that is what I was taught.[/QUOTE]
Brainwashing:
Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.
The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=brainwashing

Originally Posted by: Stackny
To me, the Bible is the only religion that isnt corrupt.[/QUOTE]
The bible itself isn't really a religion. It's the interpretation that people make from it that becomes the religion. Think about it. How many different versions of Christianity alone are there that are all derived from the bible? And it's a long stretch to say there's no corruption involved considering the problems we've been having with the catholics.

Originally Posted by: Stackny
The rules are set in stone and pretty easily understood.[/QUOTE]
Provided you never ask questions.

Originally Posted by: Stackny
The Muslims wage war on everyone who doesnt believe, the Catholics think you can buy your way into heaven, yadda yadda yadda.[/QUOTE]
And everyone beleives in this while they believe in that and we've all got our own beliefs but in the end they're just that. Beleifs. Not knowledge.

[QUOTE=Stackny]
The Bible says "love thy neighbor." I see prophecy already taking place today. Look at our situation in the middle east with the Jews and Palestinians. The Bible tells us all the Jews will return to Israel and they will rebuild the temple. Well, the world isnt exactly pro-Israel and theyve already had talks of rebuilding the temple. Countries such as France are already running Jews out of there.

I read a bible that said "kill thy neibhor." Is that prophecy? Can't say man hasn't been naughty over the years.

[QUOTE=Stackny]
Scientfically, the Bible could make sense if the events found in the Bible occured. As we've had this discussion before, the events basically would have had to occur in an unscientific manner, but afterwards you could apply scientific methods.

And that's something I don't get. There's plenty of scientific knowledge and facts that prove that the bible isn't possible. And that's fine because the belief in God and that God defies rational possibilities is quite present in the christian perspective. But if they believe so heavily in this being that can defy everything then why is it that they go to such lengths to explain how it's scientific and logical? Back in the day when I went to church the pastor blatantly called every other form of religion false and stated that god was a 100% scientific fact. But fact and faith do not work at all together. And if God is entirely faith then why do they go to the lengths to state it as fact? Pick one, research it and whatever the proof is, take it like a man. And if down the road things look differently, then compare notes and go from there.

[QUOTE=Stackny]
There is so much proof of the existance for a God

There's actually no prove of God in specific what so ever. All links to God are strictly faith which holds no proof what so ever since the basis of faith is believing the in the impossible or irrational.

See number 2.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=faith

[QUOTE=Stackny]
and I choose to have faith and believe in Him.

Knock yourself out.

[QUOTE=Stackny]
I wouldnt give up on my faith because some chick dumped me cuz shes a loser and wanted to date my best friend. Though it might seem God is against you

Would you give up on faith because the other alternative finally started making sense? And what kind of all loving God would go against his beloved creation?

I look at some porn and then go read the bible to cleanse myself. :eek: :D

Originally Posted by: magicninjaI look at some porn and then go read the bible to cleanse myself. :eek: :D

What a coincidence. I do the exact same thing... well.. almost. I read the bible then cleanse myself with porn.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsGod also made Eve because Adam was lonely.


Brainwashing:
Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.
The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=brainwashing[/QUOTE]

Trust me, I wasnt brainwashed, simply too young to understand why I was believing. Did your parents leave alone in a room when you were a kid with a tv and left it on news channels and let you decide what you thought for yourself? Thats a silly assumption to say I was brainwashed because everyones environment somewhat dictates on what they think.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsThe bible itself isn't really a religion. It's the interpretation that people make from it that becomes the religion. Think about it. How many different versions of Christianity alone are there that are all derived from the bible? And it's a long stretch to say there's no corruption involved considering the problems we've been having with the catholics.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I read what I had wrote and that wasnt what I was trying to say. I meant to say the guidelines the Bible has given us are the ones that are considered moral in todays society...Thou shalt not kill, steal, etc.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsAnd everyone beleives in this while they believe in that and we've all got our own beliefs but in the end they're just that. Beleifs. Not knowledge.[/QUOTE]

Youre point? Never tried to pass it off as factual, just giving reasons why I believe what I believe.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsI read a bible that said "kill thy neibhor." Is that prophecy? Can't say man hasn't been naughty over the years.[/QUOTE]

Dunno really what youre talking about here......


[QUOTE=Cryptic Excretions]And that's something I don't get. There's plenty of scientific knowledge and facts that prove that the bible isn't possible. And that's fine because the belief in God and that God defies rational possibilities is quite present in the christian perspective. But if they believe so heavily in this being that can defy everything then why is it that they go to such lengths to explain how it's scientific and logical? Back in the day when I went to church the pastor blatantly called every other form of religion false and stated that god was a 100% scientific fact. But fact and faith do not work at all together. And if God is entirely faith then why do they go to the lengths to state it as fact? Pick one, research it and whatever the proof is, take it like a man. And if down the road things look differently, then compare notes and go from there.

As I said, the basis of how things of occured cannot be explained scientically, but Biblical occurences such as the Great Flood can explain a multitude of things. Its not like its speaking of events that the Earth shows scientifically could not have occured, because that certainly is not the case.


[QUOTE=Cryptic Excretions]There's actually no prove of God in specific what so ever. All links to God are strictly faith which holds no proof what so ever since the basis of faith is believing the in the impossible or irrational.

All Im saying is you can make sense of Biblical occurences and look at prophecies that are coming true today.


[QUOTE=Cryptic Excretions]Knock yourself out.

I will :D


[QUOTE=Cryptic Excretions]Would you give up on faith because the other alternative finally started making sense? And what kind of all loving God would go against his beloved creation?

Thats not going to happen so I dont have to worry about it. How has God gone against his creation?

Originally Posted by: stacknyTrust me, I wasnt brainwashed, simply too young to understand why I was believing. Did your parents leave alone in a room when you were a kid with a tv and left it on news channels and let you decide what you thought for yourself? Thats a silly assumption to say I was brainwashed because everyones environment somewhat dictates on what they think.

That's what brainwashing is. You're parents brainwashed you. We've all been brainwashed to a degree. Some of us just snap out of it.

Originally Posted by: stacknyTrust me, I wasnt brainwashed, simply too young to understand why I was believing. Did your parents leave alone in a room when you were a kid with a tv and left it on news channels and let you decide what you thought for yourself? Thats a silly assumption to say I was brainwashed because everyones environment somewhat dictates on what they think. [/QUOTE]
The environment someone is brought up in is a form of brainwashing. I grew up with the environment that I grew up in. It's just by chance that I decided to analyze it more and form my own opinion, but there are plenty of people out there that just go by what they were raised under and nothing more. Every time your parents tell you something they believe in with the intention of you sharing the belief it is a form of brainwash. Just to a minor degree.

Originally Posted by: stackny
Yeah, I read what I had wrote and that wasnt what I was trying to say. I meant to say the guidelines the Bible has given us are the ones that are considered moral in todays society...Thou shalt not kill, steal, etc. [/QUOTE]
But if those are the morals it's trying to express then it is corrupt since the church has been known to support war on many occasions as well as adultery.

Originally Posted by: stackny
Youre point? Never tried to pass it off as factual, just giving reasons why I believe what I believe. [/QUOTE]
Actually, I wasn't really getting at one with that. I just figured I'd see what came of it.

Originally Posted by: stackny
Dunno really what youre talking about here......[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by: stackny
The Bible says "love thy neighbor." I see prophecy already taking place today. [/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by: Cryptic Excretions
I read a bible that said "kill thy neibhor." Is that prophecy? Can't say man hasn't been naughty over the years.[/QUOTE]
It was hypothetically speaking. I was merely saying that what prophecy you see taking place can easily be countered by the prophecies others see. Poorly put? I thought so too. Let me try this

In Bible A:
Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt work together. The people of land A and the people of land B will unite.
-World event occurs and those two groups of people end up uniting... or at least considering it-
In Bible B:
Kill, kill, kill. Leave nothing left of them all. The people of land A will kill land B.
-World event occurs and land A trounces land B-
Get it? It was just a hypothetical comment is all saying that it still doesn't amount to anything so long as there are varying views. Let alone when neither one can be proven true.


[QUOTE=stackny]
As I said, the basis of how things of occured cannot be explained scientically, but Biblical occurences such as the Great Flood can explain a multitude of things. Its not like its speaking of events that the Earth shows scientifically could not have occured, because that certainly is not the case.

No, it can't be proven scientifically. So why does everyone go to the lengths to try and prove that it is scientific and possible. A great flood isn't going to craft the world the way it is. Find a diagram showing how the layers of salts, minerals, dirt, coal, etc. in the earth's crust and how they're layered. If there was a great flood in such a short period of time then the layers would not be nearly like they are today. Not without a miracle or a god to completely alter the way the earth formed. And that's a fine beleif, but it's not scientific. So why try and prove that it is? If you believe that god defies science then why try and back him up with science?


[QUOTE=stackny]
All Im saying is you can make sense of Biblical occurences and look at prophecies that are coming true today.

What prophecies? Look at the history of the world. Those prophecies can be applied so many times over and over. And they still don't prove that God exists. Not in any way.


[QUOTE=stackny]
I will :D

Cheers.

[QUOTE=stackny]
Thats not going to happen so I dont have to worry about it.

It was another hypothetical statement. Just try and imagine yourself understanding the atheist perspective. There are people release faith in God because they truly don't believe it exists every bit as much as you believe it does exist. It's not just some big rebellion against everything that others take into their arms. I work with a guy that holds no faith in God because he was born in a different country where the Christian influence was next to non-existant. He grew up away from it and because what he did grow up with does not include God, Abrahamic religions just seem like nonsense to him.

[QUOTE=stackny]
How has God gone against his creation?

[QUOTE=stackny]
Though it might seem God is against you

You tell me?

If man is his creation (which includes 6strngs) and he loves his creation (still including 6strngs) then why would he go against his beloved creation? God's supposed to love us and care for us. Not drown our asses when he decides that we've inevitably pissed him off.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaThat's what brainwashing is. You're parents brainwashed you. We've all been brainwashed to a degree. Some of us just snap out of it.

If thats what brainwashing is, then I dont agree with the definition of brainwashing. Its not like Im in a freekin trance that Im not able to snap out of due to my parents "brainwashing" me when I was little. I can think for myself and Ive disagreed with my parents a few times on things because they are even more conservative than myself.

Your parents taught you to crap in the toilet because thats socially acceptable and thats what they do, but in reality you could go crap outside and things would be fine. Does that qualify you as brainwashed?

If all these atheist people don't believe in God, why do they have to prove he isn't real?
I don't see how being a Christian is such a 'brainwashed' lifestyle.
Look at the hope so many people had been given in life, like addicts and suicidal people-how can you argue that they've made such a terrible life choice?

Originally Posted by: stacknyIf thats what brainwashing is, then I dont agree with the definition of brainwashing. Its not like Im in a freekin trance that Im not able to snap out of due to my parents "brainwashing" me when I was little. I can think for myself and Ive disagreed with my parents a few times on things because they are even more conservative than myself.

Your parents taught you to crap in the toilet because thats socially acceptable and thats what they do, but in reality you could go crap outside and things would be fine. Does that qualify you as brainwashed?

Yes it does. All learning is brainwashing to some degree. You are just being brainwashed by whoever is teaching you.

Originally Posted by: ericthecableguyIf all these atheist people don't believe in God, why do they have to prove he isn't real?
I don't see how being a Christian is such a 'brainwashed' lifestyle.
Look at the hope so many people had been given in life, like addicts and suicidal people-how can you argue that they've made such a terrible life choice?

I never said it was a bad thing to have religion as a basis for life. You're right it does help alot of people. I just don't think it's for everybody. If you comvert when you have learned about the religion and what not then ok you were not really brainwashed. A small child taught to devoutly believe however has been brainwashed becuase they had no choice.

Originally Posted by: ericthecableguyThat's quite an assumtion to be making.

not really, a lot of people aren't exactly open or at ease about their sex life or sex in general. it's nothing new and nothing surprising. surprising to the people who like to make claims about how they got laid but that's about as far as they're willing to be open about sex...because they get to make claim on their masculinity.

Originally Posted by: magicninjaYes it does. All learning is brainwashing to some degree. You are just being brainwashed by whoever is teaching you.

So essentially youre saying learning is equivelant to brainwashing. So every child in the world was brainwashed? So apparently Cryptic, you have no point in saying Im brainwashed, cuz if you crap in the toilet, you are too. :p