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Every day they bring to us from Iraq our son's bodies in a war with no meaning and with only one target which is the satisfaction of Mr. Bush

Mr. Bush, who pushes our country to a new vietnam

he said that the reason of that war is to get out saddam from Iraq but it seems that oil was the target.

And what is the price, it is the blood of our son's which are killed daily on hands of iraqi resistance, it is our country resources which decrease day by day , but unfortunately bush administration controls the media

In our country today the news of our defeat is faked into victory & only the filled half of the glass is shown

Please participate to stop the misleading and share us to stop blood and money bleeding.

I think that most of you will not believe me when I inform you that more than 28.000 soldiers have been killed in Iraq but this is what I have been seeing in the Arab news channels

And the films that transmitted by the terrorists on those channel and on the internet that shows their operations in Iraq documented by video, beside some friends of mine confirmed these informations from there friends that are fighting in Iraq and that they are living in a hell . The terrorist's operations range is between 80 to more than 100 operations daily in Iraq and at least 85% are effective & has deadly casualtys. to confirm truth of these claims there was several sites that were established by me before and it has been removed, you can guess of course by whom? To make sure of what i am saying And to make you watch and feel how our soldiers live in iraqi hell I will bring to your own eyes the visible evidences, documents and scenes from this daily hell that confirm this.



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((some evidences will help u to know the truth & u wil find more in the website)) :-



Destruction of an American Tank

http://67.19.194.20/~terroris/suicidehand.wmv

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Martyrdom operation against The Britain Soliders

http://67.19.194.20/~terroris/film001.wmv

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http://www.hdalsalam.com/oldswf/1.swf

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Hummer destroyed by IED in Baghdad

http://www.hdalsalam.com/oldswf/2.swf

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Hummer destroyed by IED in Redwaniah

http://www.hdalsalam.com/oldswf/3.swf

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Hummer destroyed by IED in Baghdad

http://www.hdalsalam.com/oldswf/10.swf

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Hummer destroyed In Fallujah

http://www.hdalsalam.com/oldswf/14.swf

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us plane down

http://www.hdalsalam.com/oldswf/16.swf

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Tank destroyed by IED in Abu-Gharieb

http://www.hdalsalam.com/oldswf/22.swf

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Tank Destroyed In Baghdad

http://hackjaponaise.cosm.co.jp/terror/0420200501.rmvb

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Martyrdom operation in Baghdad

http://hackjaponaise.cosm.co.jp/terror/0425200501.rmvb

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And the Hummers destructions continue...

http://hackjaponaise.cosm.co.jp/terror/0511200501.rmvb



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Please participate to stop the misleading and share us to stop blood and money bleeding.

And please if you have an answer to this question please do "for whom thousands of our son's die in a war only for Mr. Bush satisfaction?"



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Wow, that reminded me of one of those telemarketer's shticks they run though where they wont give you the chance to say " no im sorry im not interested" so you have to hang up on them...

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The host name is: xxx-xxx-xxx-xx.dsl.telesp.net.br.

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a war with no meaning??
Defeat faked into victory????
I feel awful and truely indebted to those who have given their lives for our country, but are you saying they gave their lives for no reason? That what they are fighting for is a failure? They are heroes and are carrying out the promise they swore to defend our country, even if it means their own lives. I also doubt the Bush administration controls the media.....
Thats just my thoughts and I respect yours even if i don't agree with all of them

I'm sorry, I completely disagree. I'm in support of the war... have you forgotten what happened on 9/11? do you remember how you felt? did you say "hmm, thousands of americans killed, huh, oh well, let's just give them a slap on the wrist and hope they don't do it again"? now sure, that's with osama, not anything to do with iraq, and I didn't really follow the news so, I don't exactly know how we ended up in iraq, but, to say that we are only fighting for bush's satisfaction? he got voted back to the white house, which means that more then half of america supports this war, so, it's ONLY for bush's satisfaction? heck, even john kerry was in support of the war, he just wanted to do it differently. and I'm sure that 28.000 soldiers died, that's 28 point 000, not 28,000
that's all I'm going to say about that because I fear offending anyone... oh, I can just see what a debate this thread is going to cause.....

Can anyone else see the huge political debate brewing as we speak? I've got my views of course, but I think I'll spare you all this time and just step out of this one.

Side note: I said this before I read all the way through 6strngs' post, so yeah, I guess someone else can see the debate brewing. Godspeed to those who participate.

Originally Posted by: Cryptic ExcretionsCan anyone else see the huge political debate brewing as we speak? I've got my views of course, but I think I'll spare you all this time and just step out of this one.

Side note: I said this before I read all the way through 6strngs' post, so yeah, I guess someone else can see the debate brewing. Godspeed to those who participate.

I'm stepping out of this debate while I still can

I agree, im steppin out. SO instead i will just post a post i just posted on another post, sorta, check this out. funny cartoon

OK , instead of posting another arguement i decided to throw somethin stupid and way off topic in to throw everyone off. good luck all with this thread.

Originally Posted by: yas123he said that the reason of that war is to get out saddam from Iraq but it seems that oil was the target.

Stfu you ignoramus. We only get about 4 or 5% of our oil from Iraq. If we wanted a war for oil we would be busy raping Saudi Arabi right now.

I'm Canadian so I won't get involved in the argument, but one thing sticks out in my mind.
Before they went to Iraq to look for 'weapons of mass destruction', there was a news broadcast that showed a video of Sadam Hussien commenting on Bush's views to his staff. He basically shrugged his shoulders and said "they won't find any..." with a small laugh that was obvious that he meant there weren't any to find.
You could tell from Hussiens's body language that there really weren't any WMD's and that he knew Bush was trumping up charges.

When Bush started the war I knew he was lying about finding WMD's and that the whole thing was a scam for some alterior motive.
Far as I'm concerned, it was Bush jr. finishing off what his father did 10 years earlier. It had nothing to do with 9/11 or WMD's and had everything to do with occupying another country for oil or whatever else they wanted just to get even for his dad.

Just my opinion, but Bush's whole motive is world domination for the U.S.

I think Schmange is right on the money here !!

Originally Posted by: PonyOneplus, with all the defense contractors, and most famously, Halliburton's involvement in the war effort, yes, some pockets are getting lined.[/quote]
Ever talk to a rough neck about that one?

Halliburton is the only US based company (possibly the only one in the world, but I kinda doubt that) which is equipped to handle all of the oil related problems and work that was needed to be done in Iraq. So, while it certainly looks shady, it did make a lot of sense to contract them at the beginning stages of the invaision from a command and control perspective -- it's better to have one company to deal with than to find yourself in a "cat herding" situation in the midst of a war zone.

And, considering that once bidding was opened up to all US companies, we probably didn't have to pay that much extra for their services.


[QUOTE=PonyOne]and why bother raping Saudi Arabia??? They're already in bed with us.

And yet, they do next to nothing of what we ask of them and we do next to nothing of what they ask of us, 'cause when you get right down to it, the Saudi Royal Family isn't doing that much to crack down on militant Islam within Saudi Arabia and we invaded Iraq and Afganistan against their wishes.




As to the war and the justifications for it, the bottom line is that Saddam never once abandoned his WMD programs (he only put them on hold so he could wiggle out from under UN sanctions) and even if he never intended to use them on the US (which isn't a "maybe" I'm comfortable with), he most certainly did have a number of our allies in his crosshairs and we would be at war again with Iraq sometime in the next 15 to 20 years.

So, like it or not, here's the pickle the US was in before the invaision:

We have a rouge nation with an active WMD program who's dictator sees himself as the reincarnation of Saladin with ambitions to conquer a number of nations we've made promises to protect. On top of this, said dictator may or may not be willing to hand over one, some or possibly a large supply of WMDs to certain terrorist types (whom he's more than happy to play nice with when it suits him) once his weapons program is to that point.

This means that we can:

1. Choose to be isolationists, abandon our allies, ignore the entire situation and hope we don't get bit in the ass in spite of us "minding our own business."

2. Put off the problem until Iraqi tanks start rolling over international borders again backed by WMD or Iraqi made WMD are used against us in terrorist style attacks (or both) and suddenly find ourselves confronting a much stronger enemy than the ones we face today.

or...

3. Do something now when Saddam's regime is weak and without the means of attacking us directly because it's far less costly in terms of lives and money for everybody concerned than letting either of the above scenarios play out.



I don't think any of those options are especially appealing, but having followed this as long as I have, I came to realize a long time ago that something needed to be done. I just wish Clinton had had the balls/political will/whatever to do it back in 1998.

hey...PonyOne looks so similar to his dad...and how awesome are those hedgehogs?

Originally Posted by: Andrew Sa...and how awesome are those hedgehogs?

Very. I think they're even more cute with those long ears.

[font=trebuchet ms]So much for not getting involved in this argument...[/font] :rolleyes:

Yeah they were very random but very awesome. As for the war, there are alot of arguments on here that are very fair, so naturally I dont have a one way opinon, I dont like the fact that it seems like the goverment now is a bit (to use a word previously mentioned) shady. And as much as I try to understand, I simply cant figure out WHY we went to IRAQ when we were supposed to be looking for Bin Laden. I mean Im sure we are looking but I think we are looking more at Iraq and blaming them for 9/11. Yes, they are part of the terrorism but we should be focused fully on finding Bin Laden IMHO. But Rask makes a very good point, it needed to be done. Whether people like it or not.

Originally Posted by: x0o_BurnOut_o0xAnd as much as I try to understand, I simply cant figure out WHY we went to IRAQ when we were supposed to be looking for Bin Laden. I mean Im sure we are looking but I think we are looking more at Iraq and blaming them for 9/11. Yes, they are part of the terrorism but we should be focused fully on finding Bin Laden IMHO.

Personally, I think bin Laden is small potatoes (in terms of an actual threat) unless he teams up with somebody with nuclear weapons and an axe to grind with us (or who is simply indifferent and happy to sell a couple off). 9/11 killed a lot of people, but that's nothing compared to the kind of casualties that could be lost in an actual shooting war when you face a [more] equally matched enemy.

When it comes right down to it, if we catch Osama, then he becomes a Martyr and is still a hero to the Jihadists. At least right now, he has to keep his profile very low, lest a Hellfire missle atomize his ass.

Originally Posted by: schmangeI'm Canadian so I won't get involved in the argument, but one thing sticks out in my mind.
Before they went to Iraq to look for 'weapons of mass destruction', there was a news broadcast that showed a video of Sadam Hussien commenting on Bush's views to his staff. He basically shrugged his shoulders and said "they won't find any..." with a small laugh that was obvious that he meant there weren't any to find.
You could tell from Hussiens's body language that there really weren't any WMD's and that he knew Bush was trumping up charges.

When Bush started the war I knew he was lying about finding WMD's and that the whole thing was a scam for some alterior motive.
Far as I'm concerned, it was Bush jr. finishing off what his father did 10 years earlier. It had nothing to do with 9/11 or WMD's and had everything to do with occupying another country for oil or whatever else they wanted just to get even for his dad.

Just my opinion, but Bush's whole motive is world domination for the U.S.

wow, very thought provoking...

It really makes you think if you can trust any authority these days

Originally Posted by: alucard0941wow, very thought provoking...

It really makes you think if you can trust any authority these days

Good choice of words.
Now, check this out:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Authority

Note the use of the word "power" in this reference and then try to recall the old cliche about power; " If power corrupts, then absolute power..."

Iraq is one man's fight...
One man against the will of 6 billion.
Who said one man can't change the world?
All it takes is to give one man the world's biggest pop gun.
There's a reason he smiles so much.
He won.

Do you realize that the fate of 6 billion people can lay in the hands of a man only 3.6% of the world population is eligable to vote for? And that person gains world domination by having 1.8% or less of the world population approve of him?

The reality is in the November 2004 election only 2.1% of the world population did vote... He dominates this planet by the consensus of just over 1% of the world's population.And that person still uses freedom of choice as their banner speech?

Not that I want to get involved...

Anybody who thinks that world domination is possible (or even practical) -- and if he truely thinks this way, then that would include GW Bush as well -- needs to study some Sun Tzu.


This isn't about domination, this is about our international obligations balanced against the goal of saving lives.