St Anger Verdict?

and about the differnt tuning thing standard tuning is just the blueprint of everything when you tune to something else the notes all change right.the notes that you are used to playing or in a different place and if you try to play something it will sound way off why because there diiferent notes scales are not the same are they no

LOL - I thought you were a school kid too shredder! You just have that mentality, and a child like way of putting across your points.
Its not about songs needing guitar solos. Solos, good mid 8s, half-time sections, double time outros etc add variety and depth to songs.
The new metallica album is a a bunch of random riffs thrown together! It as tho every song is based on the chromatic scale. Its utterly awful!

well im no big fan of them myself but i just like it becasue they didnt try to force they 80's out of them.they just picked up the guitar jammed out and recored it.thank god hammet doesnt solo.

Why do you guys keep arguing over this new album. I think we all know how much it sucks and how the songs are all just random riffs thrown together and so on. Just get over it. If you dont like it, Dont buy it! I know I hate it personally and I wish they would stick to their old style, but they are just trying to get on Mtv and make more money. I already expected the album to suck seeing as how load and reload sucked so I dont have a problem with the music but I have to say I dont think I am ever gonna get over that crazy looking indian bassist from suicidal tendencies. That guy is scary. Check out his lips when he plays he looks like a gorrila with braids.

hahahahaha who know he played with ozzy to right

Right, calm it down poeple... he says with stalinite control..
Let's not let this forum slip into gutiar.com... please dont swear at people, share your oppinion, but dont get personal... OK?
Theeshredder: I actually agree with you about alternate tunnings, I wasn't really into them too much till i really started getting into some sonic youth, but they do DRAMATICALLY affect your style...
That said though, could you calm down a little? Guitar is not the be all and end all of everything, trust me.

I heard St' Anger the single, I thought i was kinda cool, I've never been a fan of metalica's song writing, but the guitar sound is very different, at one point it reminded me of "my plauge" by slipknot.. I cant honestly say i found the eighties anything more that cringe worthy for guitar music (that's a big generalisation i know)...
The problem with solos is that they become absoloutly paramount at the expense of the rest of the song... and genuinly dont understand guitarists who love bands who are poor songwriters at best, but can play your bloody bog standard 4/4 , 8/8 solo... but hardly any have listen to the truly surreal stuff on sitar (i've been lead to believe some of it is done in 5/3, my mind boggles, it's certainly something i'd quite like to try)...

I'm, really getting into PJ Harvey's stuff of late, I really like it, and it's about as realistically simple as you can get, and even she ventures out from the world of 4/4..

Originally posted by educatedfilm
The problem with solos is that they become absoloutly paramount at the expense of the rest of the song... and genuinly dont understand guitarists who love bands who are poor songwriters at best, but can play your bloody bog standard 4/4 , 8/8 solo... but hardly any have listen to the truly surreal stuff on sitar (i've been lead to believe some of it is done in 5/3, my mind boggles, it's certainly something i'd quite like to try)...

This is stupid. 'Bloody bog standard 4/4?' What the heck is that supposed to mean?! Some of the most influential and impressive solos are written in 4/4 time.

5/3?! Your mind boggles?! Is this a wind-up? That isn't such a crazy time signature!

Time signatures aren't what solos are about anyway man, and I think most musicians would take offense to you calling any solo in 4/4 'bog standard'.

Originally posted by TheTrooper
Why do you guys keep arguing over this new album.

Erm.. because of freedom of speech, if you dont wana hear it start another post on something else!

Why do people hate the 80s!! The finest bands had their finest albums in the 80s!!! Guns, Aerosmith, U2, REM, ... theres more!

Also LOL to "guitar.com".. whats the name of this site? Arent Metallica meant to be a guitar band? Is it too much to ask for decent guitaring in their albums!! Bottom line is my 4-track has better riffs n ideas on it than that St Anger album!!! And im not alone on that one!!

I have yet to hear any of Metallica's new album and I doubt I will buy it. The fact is, I hate when people call them sellouts. So what if they "sold out". I would bet any amount of money that 95% of you would do the exact same thing. If a big record company offered your band a contract, huge amounts of money, just for you to change your style a bit, I bet many of you would do it.

Any musician or band changes their sound over time. Metallica is old, they've been around 20 plus years. Of course over that time frame their sound is going to change as they mature as musicians. Do I think they suck now, yes. But that's besides the point. I stopped listening after the release of the black album. But if I were put in their shoes I would've done the same thing. It's the old adage, the rich only want to get richer. And that's just what they did. I don't really think they tried to get onto MTV and "sell out," I think that everyone started to change their attitude about that type of music. And it continues to this day. 15 years ago, MTV would have never even dared to play System of a Down. Now you can turn on TRL and see them on the countdown. Did System of a Down sell out, or have people accepted the fact that the public likes that kind of music? I think it's the latter. Once the public started to accept them, it began to spread from their hardcore fans (Kill 'em All) to people jumping on the band wagon (Black Album, in specific, "Enter Sandman"). So to call them "sell outs" is just ignorant.

About that "theeshredder" dude, people try to be like their "heroes" because that's usually what inspires people to pick up a guitar. There is nothing wrong with trying to imitate a legend, that's how different styles are born. You probably picked up a guitar after listening to different songs and deciding "Hey that would be cool if I could play that" and all of the sudden you're playing guitar for 10 or 15 years.

Ahh well....life goes on...

Pantallica1 - nice post dude.

The main problem I see in "St Anger" album specificaly is that Metallica is kinda following the trends instead of creating them as they used to do ... Each album from Metallica sounded very unique at it's time , even Load and Reload , but now I don't see much difference between "St Anger" and other Nu Metal stuff.

i agree with you alot pantellica.that is alomost the same point i have tried to prove in the past about ppl saying bands are sell outs.just because bands gain a huge fan base and everyone starts reconizing them doesnt mean there sell outs,for instance would you ppl say that jimi hendrix was a sell out becasue of his popularity? srv,black sabbath?i didnt think.dont get me wrong though there are bands that are major sellouts linkin park,cannible corpse,immortol for examples

theeshredder, I'm not being harsh here, but why is there never any punctuation in your replys? And why are phrases constantly cut in half?

Not trying to insult you, it's just a bit odd and and makes reading your posts a bit annoying.

i do.It just TO 'see YOU ppl :THAT CONSTINLY BITCH \ about my puncuation get mad and post about it rather than the TOPIC

i saw the new metallica video on TV, it had no balls anywhere and they played in a prison. i thought it sucked. there wasn't even a solo.

PonyOne, I understand what you are saying about a lot of things. I agree totally that Metallica has been on the fall since the Black Album, but as I said before, they got old. When you grow up your styles change, and I think that's what happened to them. I think that the record companies have a lot to do with the way music is today. I'm sure there was immense pressure on them because they weren't a "radio friendly" band. That's what most companies want. I'm speaking out of experience here because my brother's band is in the midst of this same dilemma. They play an aggressive metal type of music and were on the verge of being signed by a couple different labels. When you spend your whole life wanting to succeed in something you will try to do whatever it takes to get there. My brother's band has started changing their sound a little bit to try to fit into what the record companies are looking for. That doesn't make them sellouts. The music they write is still their work. They work hard at it.

First off...when did immortal sell out?
second...is it a coincidence that bands that are considerd sellouts suck?Theres less emphasis on the music so its comprehendable to non-musicians..which means a bigger consumer audience...which means more money in the end..period.Death for example got better with each passing record.They defined and improved there unique sound with age.They didnt slack off,pop some geritols and ease back over time.As a musician your not supposed to get worse with age!And 95% of musicians dont sellout...there wouldnt be "underground" if they did.The formula has been the same since the fifties...create hooks with lyrics people can relate/attach to.It sells records to a market of simple people(musically anyway).Metallica's "riding" on past sucsess...as with kiss...and the rolling stones.The new bands hook with the emotional scheme as well.Sex appeal,shock value,relation to common problems and the classic "falling domino's" or "band wagon" tactic.Everyone forgets who's behind these bands.Big record companies with "marketing" in mind.I care about MUSICIANSHIP.95% of musicians and bands care about MUSICIANSHIP.I'm sick of seeing people trying to compremise the truth.I'm sick of seeing fake depressed "individual" teenagers conforming to whats big,cool or in.Lastly..I'm sick of the music INDUSTRY and the bands/product taking advantage of peoples lack of knowlege and teenagers emotional problems.
I went through it myself(jumping on the bandwagon cause it was "in" and my friends liked it too)
well my rants done
later! \m/

of course ppl want to here lyrics they can relate to its better than some swedish death metal band singing about how satan is coming and his minions are going to take over the world and **** about vampires and goblins

Hey chuck, I never said people stop caring about "musicianship." I just said that if people were offered something like that, most would take it. Simple fact. That's the American way, get rich quick, without working hard at it. That's why there's lawsuits over stupid stuff everyday.

I agree with you that some bands get better with age, but Metallica isn't one of them. There are plenty of bands that just suck when they get older. There isn't anything wrong with that, and that doesn't make them sellouts, that just makes them not good at what they used to be good at.

We can all sit here and say, Metallica sucks now, they should play like they used too. But you can compare Kill 'em All to Master of Puppets and see a huge change between those albums. Does that mean that they were selling out because their sound changed? No, just because the change between And Justice for all... and St. Anger is a change for the worse (not for the better like previous albums, up to the Black Album I might add), people want to say they're selling out.

Ah well...

Well you must not listen to many death metal bands then.

If Metallica's new stuff is "more accessable and radio friendly," why has The Black Album sold more copies than every record they've done since combined? And didn't Lars joining the lawsuit against Napster dry up a very large section of their potential fan base?

I never cared for Metallica, and I doubt I ever will, but the last thing I'll do is call them "sellouts."