St Anger Verdict?

Originally posted by metalisbest
Well you must not listen to many death metal bands then.

Most Death Metal is about pure carnage, not neccessarily Satan, Satanism or vampires. Those subjects are generally addressed by BM bands.

Psycho kinda lyrics generally sux , wether it's black,doom,death or whatever.

Originally posted by SLY
Psycho kinda lyrics generally sux , wether it's black,doom,death or whatever.

The key to enjoying Death and Black Metal is to enjoy the music and laugh at the vocals.

For me anyway. Some people however do like the lyrical "asthetics" of the genres.

Originally posted by Raskolnikov
Some people however do like the lyrical "asthetics" of the genres.

Some of my friends are realy into these childish-horror lyrics (and vocaling !!) , I just feel sorry for 'em.

heheh
If anyone has ever listened to death before they should know the lyrics in fact have more to do with life(strangley I know).And black metal bands..besides dark funeral and some others..things arnt satan,satan,satan!A large majority tell decent storys,fantasy's or the like.Termed as "epic" metal.I dont see anything wrong with "gore" lyrics.If people could get past stereotypes they would find the intelligent lyrical compositions without shunning bands of before hearing them.Its alot better than "I feel angry,I feel sad,I'm all alone,my girlfriend left me,everyone hates me,hey,hey,hey,yeeaahhh!"
cliche lyrics.Point is..."Dont throw out the corn if you havnt tasted the cream of the crop".Please dont bother calling me a hipocrite for not listening to "the cream of the crop" as Ive painfully listened to alot of radio garbage with an open mind(along with alot of underground garbage).
Lastly...the black album sold well becuase the songs WERE radio friendly(by that I also mean catchy)...but Ive always herd stuff off load e.c.t(especially s and m album)on the radio..one station has mettalica blocks everyday with stuff post black album.Why hasnt there following albums sold so well?Cause niether are the tunes well written(with exeptions)but they didnt "hook" people.That must mean there not sellouts right?No...Like I said before(on another reply)there riding on there past.That makes them far worse sellouts to attempt to "ride" old glory.As for losing fans during the whole napster thing....HHMMMMM..money over fans?has SELLOUT written all over it.
later! \m/

Originally posted by chucklivesoninmyheart
Lastly...the black album sold well becuase the songs WERE radio friendly(by that I also mean catchy)...but Ive always herd stuff off load e.c.t(especially s and m album)on the radio..one station has mettalica blocks everyday with stuff post black album.Why hasnt there following albums sold so well?Cause niether are the tunes well written(with exeptions)but they didnt "hook" people.That must mean there not sellouts right?No...Like I said before(on another reply)there riding on there past.That makes them far worse sellouts to attempt to "ride" old glory.As for losing fans during the whole napster thing....HHMMMMM..money over fans?has SELLOUT written all over it.
later! \m/

Wrong.

It was incredibly obvious to everybody with even half a brain that attempting to shut down or curb Napter would piss A LOT of people off. Pissed off people DO NOT buy your records, but more importantly, they don't go to your shows and/or buy your merch. That's where bands make their money, not record sales.

Artists should have a right to say "no, you can't have my music for free" and have that respected. Napster took that decision out of the artist's hands, so I respect Lars' stance on the issue. It's actually about the only thing I respect about him.

I think turning a blind eye to Napster and trying to replicate their old material time and time again ::coughAC/DCcough:: because it would make people happy (and it would have) would have been far more "selloutish" than just about everything Metallica has done since The Black Album. All they've done since then is tick people off, they knew they would, and they did it anyway.

Now lets look at the other side of the coin where we find Sugar Ray, who not only changed their sound to something popular, but now let the record company write their music. That's selling out.

I state again: I am not nor have I ever been a fan of Metallica.

[Edited by Raskolnikov on 06-12-2003 at 07:59 PM]

I agree with Ras.

It's not just money over fans either. Let's see, if your job was to make music and work hard at it wouldn't you want to be compensated for your money spent, your hard work, and time invested? I know you probably wouldn't want to do your job for free, I know I wouldn't. I'm a mechanic and I wouldn't go to work for free and fix people's cars everyday for free. That's just plain ignorant.

So what if they're millionaires. It's still their money that they have earned. If you worked hard and made millions of dollars, you wouldn't just one day say, "Well I have millions of dollars, so I can just do everything for free now." Hell no.

If a customer comes in and needs $500 dollars worth of work done, I'm not going to say, "Oh, you're a fan of the franchise I work for, man, in that case, I'll fix it for free." I don't think so. It's not always about money, it's just about being rewarded with hard work.

I hate to say it but I think this issue would come down to an argument over share/music programs like napster and weather its right or wrong.

So I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt
Later! \m/

**** i wouldnt want ppl downloading my music either why even bother making a record then just tour and hand out demos

As with all arguments...there are two sides.
First off...cds ( original ) are getting so damn expensive that it is almost acceptable to copy them.
But the more piracy, the higher the price of cds so as to make up for money lost due to piracy.
its your own call.
As for St. Anger. what a **** album. I am sorry and highly embarrased to say I bought it as soon as it came out. Lars Ulrich must fix his snare...or he should go and play sessions for punk bands in ****ty studios. and where have all the excellent solos gone? most of the guitaring is tinny and country-sounding...definately their worst album yet...and I love Metallica and own every other album...but st anger is just dissapointing.

Damn, Am I the only one here who does like the Album?
Its completely different from the old metallica, and completely different from the new metallica, and I think it goes beyond the "Ohh no solos" whinning. It has some interesting things, it has power, and it goes against the mainstream, specially from the way the album sounds.
I like it.

ok well then I'm the 2nd guy who likes St Anger.I'll admit it caught me off guard with no solos in there(can't wait to read Kirk in the guitar mags about why there were no solos?) and I can live without the trash can lid snare sound that Lars uses as well but to me it's better then load and reload and thrown in the s&m one as well.I give them credit for taking a chance with this one because I think if they did another load /reload type record the public would have really crucified them for not giving what the fans wanted a kind of a throwback to their old days with a different sound( ie:low tuning)and besides how many of you who bought the dam cd/dvd got it just to get the code so you can hear the old stuff at their website????It's an interesting package, maybe this is their way of trying to get some of the fans back after the Napster lawsuit.But to each his own on this cd and I like it.

hehe anyone else??

What I don't understand is all the reviews that I have read by magazines and websites all agree that the album is great and what they have been waiting for them to do. Why?

Hey guys this thread is getting prretty damn annoying. Just get over it. The new album SUCKS! Its horrible they just want to make money and they are trying to appeal to a new crowd. If you were them yo would probably be doing it to. Anyway just get over the fact that Metallica stinks now

Originally posted by TheTrooper
Hey guys this thread is getting prretty damn annoying. Just get over it. The new album SUCKS! Its horrible they just want to make money and they are trying to appeal to a new crowd. If you were them yo would probably be doing it to. Anyway just get over the fact that Metallica stinks now

the new album doesn't suck, and certainly it doesn't because you say so. There are a lot of people that like it and a lot that hate it.

I like the new album, it is very different but it is Metallica.

We needed a good Metal album.

Thats why Nothingface came out with a new album.

i gotta tell ya, some of the st. anger album is ok, but overall, it blows.

Bad Points:

1. NO SOLOS! WTF?
2. All songs are in drop C tuning. (Im pretty sure) One of the reasons I liked Metallica so much is because they didnt drop down to nu metal technique, such as no solos and in really low tunings. I liked them because their sh*t sounded good in standerd tuning, or a half-step down. Drop C tuning, wtf were they thinking?
3. The lyrics REALLY SUCK! There isn't any lyrics that actually make any sence like any other metallica songs. Wanna hear baddly written lyrics, listin to mainly St. Anger (repeated lyrics), Purify (What the hell is this?), and Some kinda monster (good song, bad lyrics.)
4. Lars new snare sounds highly shi*ty. He doesnt use the really big drum set as he used to, the drums he has now are the same size as mine.

Good Things:
1. It is a new Metallica album, come on.
2. Some songs are structered well, and sound good, like The Unnamed Feeling, which I think is the best song on the album.

yeah, The Unnamed Feeling is DEFINATLY the best song on the album.