i agree with you alot pantellica.that is alomost the same point i have tried to prove in the past about ppl saying bands are sell outs.just because bands gain a huge fan base and everyone starts reconizing them doesnt mean there sell outs,for instance would you ppl say that jimi hendrix was a sell out becasue of his popularity? srv,black sabbath?i didnt think.dont get me wrong though there are bands that are major sellouts linkin park,cannible corpse,immortol for examples