VAN HALEN AND RHAODS then the new age

I still like new metal and Hard Rock. But there ain't no one close to any Guitar Players from the 70's or 80's, and even some people from the last 10 years. I'm only 15, and I like Lynyrd Skynyd and Southern Rock, and I also like Black Sabbath, Metallica and Bands like that. I also like Staind, KoRn and Slipknot and bands like that.
like i said before i dont like rap
Lefty_2005 4-Ever
BlueGrass and old Country rules

[Edited by Zeppelin on 04-27-2002 at 05:48 AM]

With the "Rap, new/old rock, anything else sucks" posts??????
This forum has always been a good forum, because unlike others (guitar.com) its not full with those comments so lets not turn it to a guitar.com clone...



[Edited by Zeppelin on 04-27-2002 at 05:49 AM]

Genesis write 'cheese' for lyrics? Well I never thought so....I got into their stuff when i was a kid and always liked it because they had a very unique style of lyrics and wrote songs it seemed like only they could have written.....as for phil collins his voice was part of that uniqueness....Gabriel always seemed very ordinary to me.

For the person who said all their stuff was for synths, listen to 'The way we walk - live'....especially the disk with the longer tracks....there is some awesome guitar work on that one.

hmm... I totally agree with zepplin here, I'm personally getting dangerously close to deleting this thread...

^Chacron^: lol, you've miss read my post. I said they had Cheesy snyths (synthesisers) on alot of songs which would be great musically were it not for the cheese...

I honestly dont get the whole roads/ Van halen thing, I'll admit now that I'm pretty ignorant about Roahds, but Van Halen? The king of cheese? (spandex)? That guy? I'm sad to say it, but there was no thought, no art, no concept, nothing. Also the kings of illitrature. van halen refured to make a stand on ANYTHING, what a waste of fame.
I mean poeple like him scare me musically, cos they approach music like some one with Asperger's syndrome, they'll obsesively count, go faster, and fasterm and count, and faster, and will obsess over the routines... but when you break it down, it's nothing in the end... Just maybe 20 seconds worth of riffs out of 6 ro 7 minutes. Yngwie Malmsteem's stuff is the best example of this.
There and still are CREATIVE and conceptual guitarists, for all genres.
for those who say they dont like rap:
Mainstream rap is unfourtunatly made of a bunch of sell outs, conceptually, musically, and to some extent even the whole idoelogy... Now, Listen to : blackalicious, Outkast, Oneday for all New stuff, and listen to the old school guys like Grand master Flash and the furious five, SugerHill gang, Public enemy (my favs), NWA... there's alot to be learned... Thier different and certainly more intresting sense of rythem, the lyrics have depth (which is more than i can say for alot of 80's cheesers).
I really wish poeple wouldn't say things like X and Y (who are fast guitarist, which is good enough to fool all simple minded poeple into thinking they're something special musically, when they just fast period) rock, and 1 and 2 (who aren't fast) suck.

Thats not to say that fast guitarists arent musically talented. Ill call you if I find one.

lol, I didn't say they weren't at all... it just seems to me to be used as a substitute for being able to write something decent, that doesn't sound reminicent of a mobile ring tone...
You've got an odd taste in music, I mean, I agree with everything you've talked about except the cheese (GnR, Genesis, and the ever palgerising Oasis), but you know what i mean about writing great SONGS, by poeple like the stone roses, talking heads, joy division, my bloody valentine, MC5 (a very underated band I think, cos their influence has made alot of todays bands), the smiths etc etc...
Do you like James (the band, not the member here, lol)?

(today I just found out about Sonic Youths tunings, and I'm still having trouble getting my head round what the hell they're going on to get to these tunings, eg:
E,E,B,E,G#,B LOW TO HIGH, G,G,C,G,C,D, G,G,B,D,G,A, ETC ETC,
are they just using alot of drones?)

Oh siddown, oh siddown, siddown next to me....

Thats all I know.

GnR are such an uncheesy band its unbelievable. Some stuff may be cheesy but compared to Blink or Bon Jovi theyre no really.

Genesis are cool. Phil Collins is God and for some reason is worshipped by Rn'Bers who keep wrecking his songs.

Oasis are plagirising scum, but at least Noel admits it, he's even pointed out melodies he borrowed that noone else had spotted.

"it sounds exactly like Flying by the Beatles and I'm pissed off Macca isn't suing me. I mean you might as well get sued by the best." Noel Gallagher

I am still most impressed by the musician that knows when not to play. I think the most of the guitarist that can place one perfect note in just the right place than one that can place 30 notes in that same place......but that's just me. :D

....ok so i cant spell that word but who cares?

Weird tunings in my opinion are for guitarists who like to show off that they can use them. Jimmy Page is the classic example.....ok the guys a ****ing genius in my book, but what was the point in using all those weird tunings? I've never found a led zep song that i couldnt play a decent version of with standard tuning. I can see there's a definite advantage to changing your tuning for slide guitar....but that doesnt matter to me because i never ue slide.

The plagurism thing is true about oasis...i've seen that thing about Noel wishing Macca would sue him thrown about on a number of message boards, but at least he admits it and credits his influences. We're all gonna copy stuff from the people we like, its inevitable. The people we're copying copied others before them too......although maybe 'copy' is the wrong word....i always try and ask myself 'Did X influence what I've written or have i just written my own version of X's song/solo/riff, or whatever.

Moral of the story: Its better to be inspired than workman-like.

Alternate tunings will often force you to think differently than you normally would. I write completely differently in Open D than in standard tuning.

I dont agree i'm afraid... There's an acceptable margin to be "influenced", but when you outright start lifting riffs and not crediting the writer... or what's worse is that you lift a riff, change one or 2 notes out of 15 or more, and then say you made it up (so it's JUST legal for you to say so)...
Listen to pappa roach's "Last resort" (which pretty much stole that riff from iron maiden's "hallowed be thy name"), and "half way between Angels and insects" (or whatever it's called, outright stole that bass bit from system of a down's song "spiders" on their first album first album, and what's worse is that the vocal was on both songs is similar to the bass line, and the plagerising gits got famous from it, now that's disgraceful).... Thier other song, "broken home", sounds like the guitar part from REM's "bang and blame" with out the backing... and those are the only 3 songs i've heard by pappa roach...
Now that level of "similarity" in my book is totally unacceptable... I mean, I write far more original stuff than that, for god's sake (which is yet to be completed)...
I've got nothing against using your normal chords, wich are shared, but as long as you do something new with it... and that takes creativity...
you could steal someone else's stuff, re-hash it, and get some big shot producer to put loads of reverb on it, boost the mid range on it, etc etc ... Now that's being work man like...
I mean i wouldn't mind Oasis at all, if their lyrics meant something, than alot of toffee.. cos the vocal melodies are quite catchy, and you do find your self singing some of thier stuff...

Originally posted by yukonc5
I am still most impressed by the musician that knows when not to play. I think the most of the guitarist that can place one perfect note in just the right place than one that can place 30 notes in that same place......but that's just me. :D

What about a guitarist who can play 30 perfect notes in the same amount of time, like Vai ;)

Oasis lyrics do mean something - plus they are littered with Beatles references, which in my opinion promotes them to god-like stature.

Jimmy Page used some alternate-tunings as he was inspired by folk musicians(and ripped off their music in many cases e.g. White Summer - She Moves Through The Fair) and built on that with songs like Going To California.

And Noel actually does credit some people ("Hello" partly lifted from Gary Glitter, "Go Let It Out" alot of lyrics are from a poem Noel liked.) And Macca is a fan of Noel's, they even played together in a group in the mid-90's.

The thing about shredding is that generally one note on a guitar doesn't have the same resonance as it does when played by a sax or other horn. A lot of the time choosing whether to play one note for a bar or half a million should come down to a rhythmic decision, whereby a note held for a particular time can do different things for the way the phrase flows. Even Vai uses single note pauses in parts. Shredding is like a rollercoaster, where the speed is just a bit too much for your system, you need gaps wherre you slow down to let it sink in. The biggest mistake novice shredders make is not knowing when people's ears have reached saturation point, where any more notes are just going to push the listener away, rather than draw them in.

Good points Bardsley.

The point I made about Vai (and this is all IMHO), is that a lot of times he'll astound you with speed, and at the same time dazzle you with his note choice, and it's like (to me at least), "Damn, he couldn't have picked better notes to play there". So I can appreciate it at a guitar level as well as at a musical level. I think sets him apart from other shredders.

Yeah steve vai is the man..
Even though he has some meaningless songs (like the one which name i dont remember but it was about "i hate")
most of his songs / compositions actualy have melodies and are not meaningless running up and down on a scale

Yeah, ive never noticed that before.....its virtually the same riff....i play HBTN virtually every day during practice...how did i miss that?

You say u disagree but seem to have said the same thing as me....(or at least what u said seemed fair to me...)

But yeah oasis songs are catchy and i have to admit, on my first ever guitar lesson I was taught the open chords that make up 'Dont Look Back in Anger'......Oasis were one of the first bands who got me interested in the guitar. I left them behind after a while but i bought all the albums and never sold them....something for my kids to listen to one day, bit like my parents gave me The Beatels and Pink Floyd and all that.

Dust off the old CD's and play them again. Oasis are one of my favourite bands.