which is more important speed or feeling

My favorite is inspector gadget

Ponyone: heh... you've got me intrested... you'r doing what i've stated doing a little while... which is listening to CULTURALY different music... I must be honest and say i cant get my hands on much other than some traditional arab stuff... but my friend (who's the best guitarist, for his 18 years of age anyway, i've met), played a very jewish sounding peice... and i asked him about it (it sounded kinda happy and celebrational... congures up images of a jewish wedding for me)... he never got round to explaining it... Anyway, is there such a thing as a Jewish scale? or it a style that relies on modes and phrasing (kinda like celtic music)?...
What kinda Japanese stuff do you listen to?
Moder Art: ok, here's my two cents briefly... it's very lucrative buisness, ok? there is a large chunk of poeple of who buy paintings/ sculptours/ concept pieces, not because it's pretty or moving or thought provocative or whatever, cos it's an investment... I mean i have the Rocco period where it's cheesy pictures of gardens, or a woman on a swing or whatever, I just dont like it, but I have to give it credit.. Also art isn't about detail (dont get me wrong, if you see my work, you'll see how much detail i put into it).. Art has been wonderfully liberated... We are no longer poeple who are keeping historical records by drawing poeple / places/ thing, Cameras do that for us... and this opens the door for unhindered creativity... I like creativity and expresion in my art, and some of my favourite artist are Leon Golub, david hockney, Francis bacon, Picasso, Gris (and the other numerous great cubist artists of the time), Blake (both peter, pop artist, and willaim, 400 years earlier great painter not so keen on his poetry), Botticellu (there is no denying talent), grandma moses, mary Cassat, Degas, Eyck, Fontana (yep, the guy who put up blank canvases, a canvas with a slit... and i hated him at first, but if yo read some of the explanaitions it's pretty good), Man ray, millet, miro, gaugauin (altogh van gough really had more of an effect on me), Giacometti, mondigliani, rossetti, rouusseau ... I mean the list goes on, but the common factor is these poeple did some great creative pieces (be it commisioned or not)... and the paintings asking prices differ, because of how their prices are expected to change, not really by how they appeal... I mean the problem is it's all about fads... who's doing what, what's the new "in"... I totaly understand the too much money and too much private school air to these poeple... (and ok, I dont totaly respect pop artist, becuase of their atitudes where everything can be packaged and sold, and some stuff like yves klein's work, like IKB 79, wich is just a blue screen for love of god!!... but that dosent mean to say i dislike minimalists... there is some good stuff)...

Jazz: I admit, alot of jazz I either dont get or sounds like slightly different renditions of the same song.. but stuff like "take 5" by the dave brubeck (sp?) quartet sounds wonderful, and it's not something that needs to be acquired either :)... i do like alot of "smooth", I really like the mellow sound of a double base that can come out of a double bass... I dont get bebob at all.. I find it too percusive.. but to be fair i haven't heard that much... louis armstrong's stuff i get on with, and Rienhaert, and some other jazz guys (philonious munk I like, simply because (he and) his music are an oddity)

ps Any of you work up on line ponyone?

[Edited by educatedfilm on 03-09-2002 at 05:52 PM]

Originally posted by lalimacefolle
My favorite is inspector gadget

Lalimacefolle
I will say gadget makes a nice 2 string excercise for
beginning students.
Have you used scoobie doo its a good one?

Mark
P:S It is fun to thro in some themes in your solos.

benny hill is pretty good too!!

I am soooo sorry about that program.. it's something alot of birts hang their head in shame about... along with the "carry on.." films.. so sorry *hangs head in shame.. next time in a noose*

"it don't mean a thing, if it an't got dat swing".

I've been inactive for too long...I guess I have to post some meaningful thought to make up for my tardyness now...

Anyways the diffence in importance between speed and feeling is pretty simple...they're completely unrelated. You can express most feelings at any speed just as well as any other speed. You can play at any speed without expressing any emotion or express yourself simply by playing at a certain speed. And you know what's even better? Neither matters! You play the most heartbreaking moving work of art and odds are not a single person on earth will get what you're trying to express and only slightly more people will care. People hear what they want to hear. You play the most ungodly quick shreddage ever before played and people just won't give a ! because there's so much music like that out there none of it has much individuality anymore. One fast tune is just as good as another to the audience today as a group. You play both expressively and mad fast? Good for you. Give the song a week and everyone will either forget it or find something better in their eyes. A couple of weeks if you hit it big. The only thing that lasts anymore is that hip hop $x!t you hear every time you turn on the radio.

I know this sounds all pessimistic and depressing, but it's not. I'm just pointing out what is important. It's not speed or feeling or skill or popularity but the sheer joy of making music that is a reflection of the person that wrote it (you). If you care about what is "better" and what is "worse" you'll never be satisfied with anything you create.You may be able to express yourself perfectly, but that's not the same as reflecting yourself. Feeling adds color for the audience, reflecting yourself is just playing whats in your mind at the time without discrimination towards style or skill. It may not have any feeling ,but if it's creation brings you joy then that's all it needs to do.

That probably made absolutely no sense. In fact I would bet that not a single person here got my arguement as to the difference between feeling and reflecting. That usually happens when I try to express an abstract thought through the confinement of the logic of language. So I'll just sum it up. WHATEVER YOU THINK IS BEST AT THE IMMEDIATE MOMENT IS THE BEST AT THAT IMMEDIATE MOMENT. It's that simple :D

Originally posted by Incidents Happen
feeling is not a ****ing gift!!! how can you bring feeling to your instrument if you dont practice!? c'mon! if you cant ****ing play, then how can you put feeling into it! think!

Oh yeah, btw, this guy is right. Practice makes tolerable :D

Oh, and why is it that I'm the only person here that has ever, will ever, or knows/cares enough about ska to post anything about it? It's a heckalot more interesting in my eyes than blues and jazz and it has just as if not more interesting of a history as any other type of music.

hold on, I like ska... I will admit to me it sounds not much more than a collision of two genres, and nobody has really tried to take it to something new and intresting... I mean even ska now has the fakes.. personally i love bands like snuff...:)
ps: (Why fight the future? you'll always be going there!)

'like a collision of two genres'
and a gory one at that!
i don't like ska :(
-Daniel

think to teach yourself to forget, let go and play.

In a guitar book that I own,the forward is written by Les Paul.Yeah,that one,very old and all.In the book,he's termed a pioneer on the electric.He invented a guitar called the log,I'v no idea how it looks like.This is what he has to say about this,uhm,speed feeling thing:
A lot of players make the mistake of thinking that if you dont play fast,you dont play good;I can't help but imagine if I'd stopped Segovia on the street and said to him,"I heard you on radio last night,and boy,you play fast",he'd just walk away.What impresses me most is when I play for an audience and they're so into it,dead quiet-just the icemachine running-and they're studying,listening,and enjoying what you're doing.If you look at the people in that audience and they're crying(and it's not with pain),NOW you know you're playing the guitar.You transmit and they recieve the message.
I couldnt agree more.And for a guy who bought his first guitar in I926(how old was your gradma then?),you have to respect the opinion.and this book I'm quoting was published in 92.
I think the point Bardsley is raising is that feeling isn't going thus with your guitar:
Wueiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
wueiiiing wueiiiind wueiiiiiiing
wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiing
wueeeeeeing
:)

The log was called like this by the guys at gibson that first saw Les paul coming at them with a bodyless guitar (looking a lot like the small plastic steinberger, the headless ones). They almost kicked him out of the factory, and kept making fun of his "log", Les finally had to screw body parts on the sides of the guitar so that people would agree that it played and sounded great. Actually, Gibson called back the "guy with the broomlike guitar" when the broadcaster (telecaster a little later) started selling good...

Exactly what I meant, I should have put those exact same... words?... down. That's a good book too, isn't it, though it's a bit encyclopedia-ish. What we all gotta do, like, is to, like, FEEL the love... man. Sorry, I'm just having fun with this post now.

that's from "the complete gutiarist" isn't it?
I've got that book too... :)... it's not bad, it's not something that explains stuff step by step like an exercise book... it's just content, and loads of it, like a text/ refrence book... or an ecycopedia as bardsley said...

Here's one for you guys to harp on!
This has been said by countless great guitarists thro
the years.
It is harder to play a slow song well than play a fast
song good.
for one thing you can get away with alot of mistakes
playing fast songs.
Now when playing slow songs you can't do that.(Think)
And the complete guitarist to me is the one who can
play any style of music and play it well.

Mark
Really Books are great but try getting out on the road
and playing music for a living.
Its not as easy as just sitting in your little room
and trying to play like your heros or readin Books.
No the real life is out-side your room.
Also i've been out there since 1963 doing it and i'm
still doing it in 2002.





[Edited by skee1 on 03-13-2002 at 09:15 AM]

That's true skee, but on the other hand, it's a lot easier to completely stuff up a fast song than it is to stuff up a slow one.

not really - you could screw up on the timing easier if its a slow song (depending on how good you are with time signatures)

What caught my attention in this thread was the posters name (Ex-GnR guitarist Slash's REAL name) and the first response which said something like "great solo's shouldnt just be slashed thru" -- I have officially died laughing.

In my opinion there is a time and place for both feeling and speed. However, you can have feeling without speed and be great, but you can't have speed without feeling and be great. Pure speed without even a little bit of feeling will always be pure shash. Its like driving 200mph without a steering wheel. IT JUST DOESNT WORK.

Great feeling guitarists: Angus Young, Slash, Brian May, Noel Gallagher, and DEFINITLY Jimmy Page (Wait before you flame me, keep in mind i never said Noel was a technically proficient guitarist. He is fantastic at putting emotion into his solos, even with his limited talent.)

Great Speed guitarists : Dave Murray, George Lynch

Notice tho that almost all of our guitar idols are feeling oriented. I don't know many guitarists that, when asked who their guitar idol is, go off and say Zakk Wyld or something similar. Sure, Zakk is very good at what he does, but he's hardly an artist.

Cheers

I think it's very important to play with feeling, but hey, if you can play with speed AND feeling you are absolutely great (Jason Becker's Altitudes is a great example).

Check out that song..

Originally posted by Bardsley
That's true skee, but on the other hand, it's a lot easier to completely stuff up a fast song than it is to stuff up a slow one.

Define->(stuff)? Great one!


Mark