About Global Warming

Hello What do you think about this? When it happens?

Originally Posted by: EskimosikHello What do you think about this? When it happens?

And this relates to guitars how? We have an open forum for such unrelated topics. Hello Mods - can you move this please? Thanks.

Of all places to start a Global Warming debate (which we've had many here before, just not by new members) you picked GT. I know its in the open discussion, but at least introduce yourself and/or talk about guitars first.

I don't buy into the whole "global warming" thing....

Originally Posted by: HDJI don't buy into the whole "global warming" thing....

It may be warming, but there is little to no conclusive evidence that this warming is being caused by the activities of humans.

Originally Posted by: da_ardvarkIt may be warming, but there is little to no conclusive evidence that this warming is being caused by the activities of humans.

Exactly my belief.....

good i thought i was the only one who didnt believe in it. the earth its self goes through changes in climate every now and then. when the dinosaurs were alive the average temp was way hotter than it is now. also when neandertahls were the dominate homonid the temp was a lot cooler then it is now. do the action have an effect yes but not to the point that al gore shoulda got a noble.

ill add more on this later cause i need to go to the dentist

It's just the natural evolution of the Earth. The same way it's been for billions of years. Humans are only a minor contribution compared to all the other factors that affect the earth.

There's this documentary called "The Great Global Warming Swindle" that I've seen bits of that gives a bunch of pretty convincing arguments against the whole thing. I've yet to see the whole thing, though.

I dunno, I think it would be stupid to ignore the whole thing completely. Obviously stuff humans are doing aren't great for the environment and will probably come back to bite us in the ass someday, but I don't believe in this "Earth will be totally flooded in 25 years" stuff.

I do think we need to quit wasting resources and come up with a new way of getting power right away - not because it's causing the earth to warm, necessarily, but rather because once we do find a new power source, we're going to need all the fossil fuels we've got to make the transition.

However, I was discussing this with my cousin one day and she made a pretty good point. She said something like, "Well, I'm still of the mindset where if you need to lie to people a little bit to get them scared enough to do something, then I think that's understandable. People are stupid and lazy and won't make any effort towards any real change unless they think the world is coming to an end."

And, you know. She's right. So while I don't think it's as big of a deal (yet) as say, Al Gore is making it out to be, I can understand why such a big deal is being made.

My take on the whole thing is this:
I have friends who are environment freaks.
My old girlfriend used to sulk whenever I threw old newspapers on the fireplace... My neighbors divide all their cans, papers, bottles etc....

Blah.... I personally don't give a crap. I save up all my old paper and cardboard... frozen food containers...scraps etc.... and toss em in the fireplace.

when I make a sandwich, I use a sheet of printer paper to cover the counter.
I make the sandwich and use a towel to wipe the dirty knife.
I use the sheet of used print paper to hold the pickles or whatever and then transfer that to the table...or living room if I'm watching a movie. I use the same piece of paper to hold the pickles.
When I'm finished, I screw up the paper and thow it in th fireplace.

After a few days, I light up crap in the fireplace to warm the room (haven't used the heat yet this year)

Same thing goes for anything else in the room... Old boxes magazines...whatever. It all goes on the fireplace.

I haven't turned the central heating on at all this month.
In fact it's so warm right now I have the fan going.

Originally Posted by: BrokenJeragood i thought i was the only one who didnt believe in it.

Careful, we might start agreeing on others things!

Let's get back to the guitar. What say you?

Has anyone checked out the Taylor "Hybrid" T5 C2? I like the Sunburst model made with Kola wood from Hawaii.
It is a sweet guitar and plays so smooth. You can hook up 2 amps. One to an acoustic guitar amp and one electric guitar amp and use both at the same time or switch from one to the other in midstream by flipping a toggle switch on the guitar.
I was quoted a price of $3,400. It will be a long time before I ever get one.
I'm going to start saving right now. I only have to get $3,395 more!

Originally Posted by: Kevin TaylorMy take on the whole thing is this:
I have friends who are environment freaks.
My old girlfriend used to sulk whenever I threw old newspapers on the fireplace... My neighbors divide all their cans, papers, bottles etc....

Blah.... I personally don't give a crap. I save up all my old paper and cardboard... frozen food containers...scraps etc.... and toss em in the fireplace.

when I make a sandwich, I use a sheet of printer paper to cover the counter.
I make the sandwich and use a towel to wipe the dirty knife.
I use the sheet of used print paper to hold the pickles or whatever and then transfer that to the table...or living room if I'm watching a movie. I use the same piece of paper to hold the pickles.
When I'm finished, I screw up the paper and thow it in th fireplace.

After a few days, I light up crap in the fireplace to warm the room (haven't used the heat yet this year)

Same thing goes for anything else in the room... Old boxes magazines...whatever. It all goes on the fireplace.

I haven't turned the central heating on at all this month.
In fact it's so warm right now I have the fan going.

I beg your forgiveness...........................
It's not that I'm a Pro-Global warming advocate and I certainly don't believe that igniting a fire daily has anything to do with this topic in any way....
However, as a National Manufacturer who's raw product line derives from a process referred as "Stripped Mining", I deal with Environmental Agencies about as often as changing guitar strings. It's obvious that vehicle emissions are a standard topic of concern and with the amount of vehicles that is understood. It's the things that aren't released to the General Public that make a bigger picture. The concern from the most populated areas of the world aren't helping matters. Places like Sumgayit, Azerbaijan, with their Mercury emissions, Tianying, China, mining Lead, Dzerzinsk, Russia, chemical weapons manufacturing since the cold war era, India's chromite mining and the list goes on.. The Chernobyl temporary fix was estimated to last between 20 and 30 years. The reactor meltdown occurred in 1986. Time for another bandaid.
Is it causing Global Warming???? Who knows... Is it helping the environment, I highly doubt it...........

the real causing of the global warming thing is the depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere. the is caused by two major things: the first is massive deforestation to make way for factory farms for cash crops like corn sugar (beats and canes) soybeans beef chicken and pork. these farms not only use the land up but the run off from these plants is toxic due to the nitrogen rich fertalizers and urine runoff.
the second is the amount of poisons and other toxins washed into our oceans. in the 40's 50's and 60's the united states france and britan tested their hydrogen fussion bombs under the pacific ocearn near the marshall and bikini atols. the amount of pesticides sprayed like ddt and other now banned chemicals will never be known.
all of these chemicals are in the ocean and killing the plankton which is responsable for making 60% to 80% of the oxygen for earth.

more oxygen=cooler temps the last major ice age the oxygen was estimated at over 20 times what it is now.


now i know this sounds like enviromentalist crap but there is a diffenence. i am a conservationist. i might never have liked to hunt but i do love to fish. i only keep the fish im planing on eating. what i see when i go to the woods isnt global warming i see trash piled up everywhere. thats what we need to address. i was taught a simple rule when i was a kid. you pack it in you pack it out. the only thing that will fix our problems is if we dont let them get anyworse.

I started a thread about this quite a while back. It grew quite extensive with quite a few links and even more GT opinions...might be worth a gander. I've since moved even further into the "skeptic" category.

My whole take on this is purely selfish.
I figure, I'm here on this earth and I was given no choice as to whether I wanted to be here or not.
Life is nothing but pure hell for 99% of the population.

So why the hell can't I live the life the way I want to.
I throw my jars in the garbage...I toss out cans.... I burn my food scraps...I never separate stuff for recycling....
Hell... I pay for my lifestyle.... why the hell should I follow the governments rules on how to live my life?

I like this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q71cMRGXx9o&feature=related

Originally Posted by: looneytunesHas anyone checked out the Taylor "Hybrid" T5 C2?

Sorry, I meant the PRS (Paul Reed Smith) T5 C2. I've been looking at so many guitars I got them mixed up. It is nice!

Originally Posted by: Kevin TaylorMy whole take on this is purely selfish.
I figure, I'm here on this earth and I was given no choice as to whether I wanted to be here or not.
Life is nothing but pure hell for 99% of the population.

So why the hell can't I live the life the way I want to.
I throw my jars in the garbage...I toss out cans.... I burn my food scraps...I never separate stuff for recycling....
Hell... I pay for my lifestyle.... why the hell should I follow the governments rules on how to live my life?

I'm biting my tongue on this one. Though I agree global warming is a farce and I to do not separate my trash as well. I totally agree, Mr. Taylor, you should be allowed to live anyway you wish as long as it's within the law and not hurting anyone. I totally disgree with some things you stated as fact and some of your justifications for as you put it, 'live the way I want to'.

Man! I know you guys don't care much for my opinions and it's really hard not to jump in here, but I'm not saying anymore. Not one word more. I respect your opinion and that's all I have to say. I'm not say anything more.

Oh, what the heck!

They say the melting icebergs are causing the water level to raise. Try is:
Fill a glass full of ice to where is above the brim. Now fill the glass with water to the brim. Some of the ice will fall out because, duh, ice floats. Discard the ice that fell out. Wait for all the ice to melt and post the results. Did the water flow over the glass and onto the table (increasing the water level) or did all the water, including the melted ice, remain in the glass (decrease the water level or maintain the same water level)? Allow for the moisture that will be condensating on the outside of the glass.

Also, did you know that there is more forestry in the world now than back in the 1800's? It's true. Its just more condensed (check out any forestry website) The forestry is not spread out as much. Did you know here in the US we not only replace every tree cut for construction, but we also plant new trees not only here in the US, but in many other countries? Did you know where trees were destroyed for "Strip Mining" in Kentucky, Ohio, & Tennessee are now filled with mature healthy trees. Did you know that more trees are lost by natural causes (fire, disease, drought, etc.) than are cut for construction or for building sites?

Farmers do not clear a forest for planting. As you know farmers may cut down a few trees to increase their yield, but did you know they plant far more oxygen producing plants than those few trees could ever produce. Did you know that their crops not only feed people in the US, but also throughout the world and make very little profit for their efforts?

Did you know that every place our representatives in Washington has to go are in walking distance of the Capital Building and yet almost all drive or are driven to each of them? This includes the fantastic gym facility, that we tax payers provide for them and where some go to work out daily.

As stated before, there are nature causes for temperature changes. Our life style has little or nothing to with it. Sure there are things we can do be better stewards of this plant we call Earth, but pushing scare tactics and pressuring us into it is not the way to do it. I think even Mr. Taylor would help out, if he wasn't antagonized.

Ok, I'll shut up now.

Try to have a nice day! :)

All I will offer is that we don't have a test planet to experiment on, so we might want to be careful. Everyone seems to be an expert these days... but how many of us have any idea beyond watching a TV show?

I think a number of the nay-sayers now just want to have a different belief from the majority. I used to know a bunch of people who thought climate change was happening / was a fact / was man-made blah while 'the establishment' was offering other explanations or flat out denial. Now the same people say it isn't happening once the prevailing view is that it is. Not levelling that at anyone here - just in general...

Regardless of my personal beliefs on climate change or government involvemment in our lives, I do find it frightening that society en masse can be persuaded so quickly and easily that 4x4 driving / failure to recycle etc are crimes against humanity.

The media is driving this thing... I've no idea what's going on, just that 'climate change' is now a justification for any action taken by anyone (in the UK it is used to explain tax changes). People will profit from it... not least the scientists who write the reports and justify their budgets.

Originally Posted by: renAll I will offer is that we don't have a test planet to experiment on, so we might want to be careful. Everyone seems to be an expert these days... but how many of us have any idea beyond watching a TV show?

I think a number of the nay-sayers now just want to have a different belief from the majority. I used to know a bunch of people who thought climate change was happening / was a fact / was man-made blah while 'the establishment' was offering other explanations or flat out denial. Now the same people say it isn't happening once the prevailing view is that it is. Not levelling that at anyone here - just in general...

Regardless of my personal beliefs on climate change or government involvemment in our lives, I do find it frightening that society en masse can be persuaded so quickly and easily that 4x4 driving / failure to recycle etc are crimes against humanity.

The media is driving this thing... I've no idea what's going on, just that 'climate change' is now a justification for any action taken by anyone (in the UK it is used to explain tax changes). People will profit from it... not least the scientists who write the reports and justify their budgets.

You're so correct in the fact we really don't know and that the media is behind this as many other things they are getting people in an up roar. For instance, everyone knows that smoking is bad (I'm not a smoker). Look how fast we went from everyone smoking anywhere to no smoking laws. Now it's a crime!

Although I don't personally what T.V. Now and then, but very often, this is the only source of info people get.

Good comments!