Any Rap Fans?

Originally Posted by: chucklivesoninmyhearthmmm...ever hear exhumed?Neat solo's,rhythms e.c.t.

Unfortunately when it comes to Grindcore there is an A.C. for every Blood Duster.

Originally Posted by: PonyOneto everyone here that's saying it takes no talent and it's easy... here... go by a Roland 808 and program some stupid beats and then go write something and stand up in front of a group of hip hop fans in NYC and amaze them with how talented you are.

there's a lot of rock out there that's really stupid, ignorant, poorly-done and takes no more talent than to hit two chords over and over, and yet, somehow that's easier than coming up with a good beat and rapping?

do yourselves a favor, go online and find the lyrics to some rap songs... they can be two or three pages long, they seldom repeat (many rap songs do not have choruses), and yet somehow the MC manages to stand up there and repeat from memory and still keep rythm. to answer you, chris, a LOT of people (i.e. most) do not have rythm. if everyone had rythm everyone would be a musician.

listen to guys like Busta Rhymes in songs like "Gimme Some More," where he's going so fast that it's mindboggling but, in fact, he is saying each and every word.

again, rap is not my favorite form of music by a long shot, and the only rap CD's i own were left in the back seat of my car by some stupid friend of a friend back in Boston. but know that saying that rap takes no talent and is crap is a really overwhelmingly ignorant thing to say. maybe you don't like it, big deal, half of America never listens to rock, does that make rock crap?

ANY kind of music can SOUND like crap - it's all an opinion - i never said it didn't take balls to get up on stage and either - rap bout dem hoes - or sing/scream/...mumble. about deep stuff - but u can not disagree with the fact that making beats on a keybord/synthisiser bla bla takes more talent than learning a guitar/drums/bass/SINGING (witch Alot of bands can't but .."try") and play together - Now lets look at eachother concerts lol - who do u think has the harder job ... playing guitar/drums/bass/singing without messing up for a couple hours or having yer beat play'd for u and all u have to do is walk around the stage and throw yer little pimp lyrics at yer crowd of fans that are just listening to wtvr MTV plays for them which is the only reason rap has lasted so long - rap is a disgrace - and it MOST of it does not diserve the name music - and i know alot of people don't have rythem but it can be learned - which could look good for the rapper if he had to learn that - and to sum it all up Over all what do u think takes more talent...

Originally Posted by: chucklivesoninmyheartmassive bandwagon?[/QUOTE]
You mean like Nu-Metal or Emo?



[QUOTE=XChris557]ANY kind of music can SOUND like crap - it's all an opinion - i never said it didn't take balls to get up on stage and either - rap bout dem hoes - or sing/scream/...mumble. about deep stuff - but u can not disagree with the fact that making beats on a keybord/synthisiser bla bla takes more talent than learning a guitar/drums/bass/SINGING (witch Alot of bands can't but .."try") and play together - Now lets look at eachother concerts lol - who do u think has the harder job ... playing guitar/drums/bass/singing without messing up for a couple hours or having yer beat play'd for u and all u have to do is walk around the stage and throw yer little pimp lyrics at yer crowd of fans that are just listening to wtvr MTV plays for them which is the only reason rap has lasted so long - rap is a disgrace - and it MOST of it does not diserve the name music - and i know alot of people don't have rythem but it can be learned - which could look good for the rapper if he had to learn that - and to sum it all up Over all what do u think takes more talent...

Setting a needle down on a specific point in a record and manipulating the turn tables and sliders to produce a specific sound at a specific point in the song = "having yer beat play'd for you" and doesn't require talent? Nor seemlessly synching two records recorded at different tempos together live, in front of an audience?

How about a human beat-box and MC duo? Do they not get a nod for performing a full set without messing up or losing their audience?

And who says Rap has to be performed to samples and a DJ spinning records? Is there any reason there can't be a live band backing up the MC?

Last I checked, Jurassic 5 played their own instruments, do they not get a nod for doing that or were you simply ignorant of the fact?

Originally Posted by: RaskolnikovLast I checked, Jurassic 5 played their own instruments, do they not get a nod for doing that or were you simply ignorant of the fact?

As do the Roots.

Wyclef Jean plays guitar.

A lot of the things being said about rap can be said about rock or any other genre of music. And just because a lot of what you hear in mainstream rap is about drugs sex and money does not mean that is what all rap is about. Of coarse the more popular artist for any genre are not going to be a good benchmark for the genre as a whole.

Rap isn't as easy as just throwing words over a beat. I'll bet that most the people saying that rap is not music or that it is so easy to make a rap song have never even tried to make a beat. It takes all the same musical talent and theory to make a rap beat that it does to make a rock song, the main differance is that one is often, but not always made with a computer, and the other with instruments, but not always.
Like Raskolnikov was saying about the human beat box......Rahzel!!!!
If you have ever heard him beat box you know what I am talking about!
And what about freestyling? That is probably one of the hardest things I have ever done in my life. I think the only reason that I can even try to freestyle is my ADD. You have to pour out rhymes and try to make them flow with the beat while thinking about your next line. A very challenging thing to do.

Originally Posted by: chucklivesoninmyhearthmmm...ever hear exhumed?Neat solo's,rhythms e.c.t.

I think the musical validity of that all gets overlooked when the band decides to play grindcore.

Originally Posted by: XChris557true but his (2Pac) lyrics are as far as the talent goes

Have you lestened to every other song by every othere group or artist? There is a lot of talented rappers out there.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonI think the musical validity of that all gets overlooked when the band decides to play grindcore.

eh,so they have no talent because its considerd grindcore... :confused:

To reply to everyones comment - Let me say again Most Rap (Mostly todays RAP) is total trash. they have 2 or 3 pages of trash about the same thing, shoes hoes guns bla bla bla ima gangsta dont mess and then repeat..in different words to make another verse. The DJ has the only talent i respect ther but DOES NOT have a name for his own on that song unless u mabye read some type of fine print somewer...but that part is as far as i know ... AND of course alot of people arn't famous - i never said rap takes no talent - i said it takes the least and i mean least EXPESIALY as a whole in it's music Genra - ther are some POETS out ther that throw ther songs onto a beat they made with buttons - tupac ect. and i have herd other rappers talk about deep things on ther records that are dominated by stupid hoe songs - And if a FAN can REMEMBER the rapper 5 pages of lyrics - THE PERSON WHO WROTE THEM DEFINITLY WUDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM - You take the bands and ther albums u look at the lyrics all together for every song and then rappers cd and look at all ther lyircs - what do u think took more thinking ...mabye ther 2 songs with 5 pages each beats it but i wont be with u on that - and for the bands that do use bands - props to them .... but MAJORITY of them dont - and i will never qulify rap as music

Originally Posted by: chucklivesoninmyhearteh,so they have no talent because its considerd grindcore... :confused:

Nah, just no taste. I mean, c'mon, grindcore isn't music so much as it is noise from what I've heard.

Originally Posted by: crazywolfWyclef Jean plays guitar...It takes all the same musical talent and theory to make a rap beat that it does to make a rock song, the main differance is that one is often, but not always made with a computer, and the other with instruments, but not always...

Dudes like Dr. Dre, J. D., I'm told both are classically trained pianists.
As a matter of fact, I can play some chord progression and extract some melody a lot easier than I can create a beat. I've tried to create a beat. It's not easy. And no, it's not me who's dumb.
About the crap in rap about sex and guns and what have you, take any of the MTV types of "rock bands" . You'll extract the same b**** about teenage angst and life sucking and being rebellious over and over and over.

Originally Posted by: kingdavidDudes like Dr. Dre, J. D., I'm told both are classically trained pianists.
As a matter of fact, I can play some chord progression and extract some melody a lot easier than I can create a beat. I've tried to create a beat. It's not easy. And no, it's not me who's dumb.
About the crap in rap about sex and guns and what have you, take any of the MTV types of "rock bands" . You'll extract the same b**** about teenage angst and life sucking and being rebellious over and over and over.

Alright i have a keybord that makes all types of sounds (Thousands) and it is overwhelming at first and u do need to learn how to use it - but i can bust out beats similer to that of rap all day long - now "musical" rappers that know how to play piano and all that other stuff - props to them to they can probably make good memorable beats for people to listen 2 - but do u think pressing buttons witch most of the time they do (some rap does take alot of musical talent dont get me wrong) is harder than putting together a song with 3 or more instruments and singing - my statment is totally simple and isn't worth arguing about becuase i'm right ROCK TAKES MORE TALENTS THAN RAP ...by a long shot - in my opinion rap is the easiest form of "music" to make thats all i'm saying - and rock is so much deeper in lyrics than rap - all together that is of course ther are some stupid rock bands out ther who have hardly any talents and blabber about really really stupid things that NOBODY CARES about but most rap is just pointless messages with simple beats that are made up by a rythem base and a little key bord action to go with it that are fun to listen 2 sumtimes - SO TELL ME YOU THINK RAP TAKES MORE TALENT THEN ANYTHING ELSE ....besides techno...with is totally stupid - and with the whole guitar is easier than ketbord for u - well it's wtvr u practice - and i assuming youv'e been playing for a long time and u know the guitar well right ? or mabye not - i'm sure it may be easier to study a guitar a 500 page book on keybord effects and putting a song together but thats just knowledge not talent/"musical smarts" so wtvr

Originally Posted by: XChris557Alright i have a keybord that makes all types of sounds (Thousands) and it is overwhelming at first and u do need to learn how to use it - but i can bust out beats similer to that of rap all day long - now "musical" rappers that know how to play piano and all that other stuff - props to them to they can probably make good memorable beats for people to listen 2 - but do u think pressing buttons witch most of the time they do (some rap does take alot of musical talent dont get me wrong) is harder than putting together a song with 3 or more instruments and singing - my statment is totally simple and isn't worth arguing about becuase i'm right ROCK TAKES MORE TALENTS THAN RAP ...by a long shot - in my opinion rap is the easiest form of "music" to make thats all i'm saying - and rock is so much deeper in lyrics than rap - all together that is of course ther are some stupid rock bands out ther who have hardly any talents and blabber about really really stupid things that NOBODY CARES about but most rap is just pointless messages with simple beats that are made up by a rythem base and a little key bord action to go with it that are fun to listen 2 sumtimes - SO TELL ME YOU THINK RAP TAKES MORE TALENT THEN ANYTHING ELSE ....besides techno...with is totally stupid - and with the whole guitar is easier than ketbord for u - well it's wtvr u practice - and i assuming youv'e been playing for a long time and u know the guitar well right ? or mabye not - i'm sure it may be easier to study a guitar a 500 page book on keybord effects and putting a song together but thats just knowledge not talent/"musical smarts" so wtvr

True, but in rock bands, the lead singer is just standing there throwing out lyrics (in which some repeat) while the other members are creating the rest of the "beats"; even though a lot of lead singers play the guitar as they sing.
Yes, rock is hard to organize, but rap does take a lot of talent to put together,too.

It depends, now a days, rap uses computers to generate there beats, not actual musicians. But live, yeah, Rap is hard to perform.

Alot of rap i like, it's over excessive swearing in rap that turns me off.

Not that rockers don't swear, but for me, it sounds that most rockers use swear words to express emotion, where in rap, it sound slike they just swear to sound cool. Thats Just what I think.

Originally Posted by: DreamRyche2112It depends, now a days, rap uses computers to generate there beats, not actual musicians. But live, yeah, Rap is hard to perform.

Alot of rap i like, it's over excessive swearing in rap that turns me off.

Not that rockers don't swear, but for me, it sounds that most rockers use swear words to express emotion, where in rap, it sound slike they just swear to sound cool. Thats Just what I think.

Thankyou and rock is harder in concert and even if the singer can't sing - the band does not go by the singersd name - except fer sumtimes - robzombie ozzy but ther kick ass anyways and rap doesn't take as much effort to put together - ther only 2 or three things to put together witch u did by yerself with buttons - rock has to use eachother to put together songs with instruments

It depends on the musicians, personally, i think it would be tougher to perform in Run DMC than some random punk band.

In general, Music in any form is hard to perform live.

Originally Posted by: XChris557my statment is totally simple and isn't worth arguing about becuase i'm right ROCK TAKES MORE TALENTS THAN RAP ...by a long shot

-The White Stripes
-The Presidents of the United States of America
-90% of all the Punk bands ever to exist
-500,000 Nirvana clones that popped up in the mid-late 90's

What's so tough about playing any of that?

Originally Posted by: Raskolnikov-The White Stripes
-The Presidents of the United States of America
-90% of all the Punk bands ever to exist
-500,000 Nirvana clones that popped up in the mid-late 90's

What's so tough about playing any of that?

holly jesus dude - i'm saying as a whole - i've said that like a billion times - and to sumone else i never said it wasn't hard but so are alot of other stupid things - i don't respect rappers as musicians - simple as that - i think of them more as just straight out entertainers - and besides why r u all backing rap up - it's nothing to waste yer breath on

Originally Posted by: XChris557holly jesus dude - i'm saying as a whole - i've said that like a billion times - and to sumone else i never said it wasn't hard but so are alot of other stupid things

I must have lost it in all of the "u's" and other abbreviations. My bad.

i don't respect rappers as musicians - simple as that

So you're saying that Rock singers aren't musicians?

and besides why r u all backing rap up - it's nothing to waste yer breath on

Because I've probably heard a lot more Underground stuff that you have and so I don't have the luxury being so quickly dismissive of an entire musical genre.

What you're doing is no different than somebody else turning on a typical Top 40 radio station and using that for the basis of their judgement of Rock music.

They arn't backing up rap too much,its their opinions that they are defending.Give me a synth and fruity loops or some other program and I could churn out a catchy rap album within a weeks time...

And actually 'singing' takes far more talent than simply talking fast...the only way I see actuall skill come into play is when some rappers are able to 'flow' without writing and memorizing any material.