Guitartricks Electoral College

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It is interesting to see that this time round there is an international "fair play" agency monitoring the US general election !

Make of that what you will !

for my 2c I think is is a very good thing as if the election was not fare the US would have to invade its self, and imagine the mess that would make !!

Originally Posted by: Dr_simon... for my 2c I think is is a very good thing as if the election was not fare the US would have to invade its self, and imagine the mess that would make !!

[font=trebuchet ms]You mean like East LA on a Saturday night?[/font]

Is this evidence that the last one was.......

surly not in heart of democracy !

Bad Simon !!!

Ok, time to come up with a new devisive issue to discuss while more votes trickle in....Let's go with....evolution vs. creation.

I remember being in 1st grade and learning about dinosaurs around the same time I was being taught the whole 6-day story of creation in Sunday school. My teacher at school told me that dinosaurs had lived and died millions of years before humans were around. That didn't add up to me then and still doesn't now. Did God make the dinosaurs too then? I would ask myself. If the world is only thousands of years old like I learned in church, then how could dinosaurs have existed at all? Were the scientists lying?

Ignore the bones. Ignore the evidence.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

hey i know i said that i was dumb, but doc you gotta be even dumber
you wrote surly which means bad-tempered, and don't tell me i'm wrong, i looked it up because it was a question for some millionaire game. it's supposed to be surely doc

Who's the grizzled spellchecker now?

sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings in this post or any other's (are you ready to be drafted?). to all the 40 or so moderators, i'ma try to follow the rules. no need in getting your panies in a knot. better yet i'ma follow the rules. it's just hard when stupid comments just *make ya mad*. but i knows that not an excuse and well it'll prolly be another like 3 months before i look at this forum again cuz that's how it normally goes with me.

P.S. don't bother trying to spell chack this. it might take a while.

Well if miss typing a word makes me dumb !

This should have you splitting your sides:

Swilly (could be wily could be silly, who knows)

Pwee pweee (that is almost rude, double laughs for that one !)

gwussut (another nearly rude word)

cuwevis... need I go on !

Im just as dumb as a brick !

Doc, you sure you're off the ganja?

That is just high-grade, 21 carrot, weapons grade sarcasm dude !

The way I see it, anyone who interprets Genesis literally as factual, historical truth 1) doesn't have any sort of imagination, 2) doesn't understand the concept of an allegory and 3) isn't aware of the significance of storytelling, oral or written, in ancient cultures.

Now this isn't to say that everything in the Pentateuch is pure fiction. It is supposed to be the first part of the history of Israel. But the actual story of creation (Genesis 1:1 - 2:4) is somewhat of a separate thing. It's a relatively short account of what would seem like a very important event. I hardly need to touch on the obvious: no human was around to witness the events and write them down. Essentially this means that if we are to take this account as literal truth, then the writer (referred to only as 'J', the writer who used Yahweh/Jehovah as the divine name) had these events revealed to him through direct divine interaction, and this is something you either believe or don't believe, it can't be argued to any reasonable extent.

I am not sure where the timeline of a few thousand years came from, perhaps from the view that each day represents a thousand years. If anyone knows more about this aspect, I'd like to hear about it. Science has told us through carbon dating and other techniques that the earth itself is much older than a few thousand years. Rocks have been found on every continent that are thought to be more than 3.5 billion years old, and rocks gathered on the Apollo and Luna missions are gauged at 4.5 billion years old. I think this is the most concrete evidence because we have actual materials that we can measure. From here, we make conjectures and say the Milky Way is between 11 to 13 billion years old and the universe itself is between 10 and 15 billion years old.

Now the way I understand the Creationism model, and i don't know a whole lot about the specifics yet, is that is says microevolution, which we can observe and record over decades, does not extrapolate to macroevolution, which occurs over millions of years. It claims that everything is centered around a creation event, which is defined as the instantaneous appearance of new matter out of nothing including but not limited to, fully functional, completely developed organisms.

I don't know about this. I mean I know there has to be a First Cause, unless you want to say that the universe has always existed, which would make it eternal.....a very interesting theory but impossible to argue. As far as first causes go, I'm at a loss to go any further. It would seem that a Big Bang event is just as probable as a creation event in some respects. Of course the catch behind the creation event is that there is a deity causing it, whereas people are somewhat split over the Big Bang event being caused by something called God.

My general rule of thumb for dealing with dualities like this one is to try to combine the two options, or else look for a third option altogether. Any ideas?

I don't have a problem imagining that there is some higher being that created the universe (Paley's watchmaker theory) or that this/these deity(ies) is/are using evolution as a means to instigate life on our planet. Note that this way of thinking doesn't place a special emphasis on human life any more than beetle life, lion life, or oak tree life; here humans are not a special act of creation. We came about in the same manner as any other species. It's fun to ponder about as long as one doesn't get to depressed that we'll never know the answers.

I view modern religions as a controlling agent for people. I hate how the leaders of these religions arbitrarily take the words of their holy documents literally at some places and figuratively at others at what seems to me like nothing more than a matter of convenience for them.

These documents are not "ancient" either. Scientific evidence has found hominid remains that are 4-5 million years old and homo sapiens (that's us) remains as old as 300,000 years. The earliest civilizations began only around 10,000 years ago, thus the religions that are around today at the oldest are like 2-4,000 (Judiasm might be older I guess since it was around during egyptian times) years old. Nevertheless, when considered on a time scale starting when the first humans appeared on our planet (300,000 years ago) until now, these "ancient" texts are really quite modern!

ooops another one who cant formulate a sentence with out lapsing into the vernacular.

oh dear !

Read THE GT RULES at the TOP of the FORUM !

Originally Posted by: davehammetooops another one who cant formulate a sentence with out lapsing into the vernacular.

oh dear !

Read THE GT RULES at the TOP of the FORUM !

I heart Doc.

Any chance we could get a ban on dave? I got the email notification with his message before you edited everything. It's not that I'm personally offended or choose to acknowledge his "comments". But the guy clearly doesn't belong on our boards.

It is not up to me who gets banned or not, this dude raised a few flags and his posts will be watched.

Sorry if he upset any one. These boards are, as you know fairly tightly moderated however occasionally one gets through the net.

Moderators can and do edit posts from people who disregard the GT rules regardless of their political stance and repeat offenders will be banned !

So, please chill out say what you have to say, but please be respectful of other peoples opinions whether you agree with them or not !

A few things to say. First off is same sex marriage, Im all for it, the way I see it is if you had two men and two women but the two men decide that they arent interested in the women but infact in each other than that would leave two more single women in the world for me, however if these women also decide they like each other thats ok as well because the thought of two women is a good thought indeed and that makes me ponder, why is it that if these two women where to exchange a couple of rings, tell each other "I love you", sign a piece of paper and all that jargen than every tom, dick and harry kicks up a big stink, but pay them to show their love on film and all of a sudden Tom, Dick and Harry are on their computers drooling and cheering them on rather than focusing their hypocritical minds on something more constructive like reading this thread.

Next up is creation V evolution.
I created evolution so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

P.S. I also invented pipes.......and deep fried gummi bears.

P.S. A bit of advice, never try to deep fry gummi bears it wont work.

P.S. Deep fried slices of metwurst is really good though.

P.S. That sounds pretty good right about now anyone want some I can email it to ya, actually metwurst doesnt email well but if anyone wants some spam there seems to be alot of it on the internet, not many other smallgoods though wich is a shame.

AAAAAHHHHHHHH hah hah hah hah.......Spam.......Email.......nevermind.

P.S. Damn it, can someone please remind me to pick up some metwurst,and gummi bears.

Originally Posted by: meandmyRGA few things to say. First off is same sex marriage, Im all for it, the way I see it is if you had two men and two women but the two men decide that they arent interested in the women but infact in each other than that would leave two more single women in the world for me, however if these women also decide they like each other thats ok as well because the thought of two women is a good thought indeed and that makes me ponder, why is it that if these two women where to exchange a couple of rings, tell each other "I love you", sign a piece of paper and all that jargen than every tom, dick and harry kicks up a big stink, but pay them to show their love on film and all of a sudden Tom, Dick and Harry are on their computers drooling and cheering them on rather than focusing their hypocritical minds on something more constructive like reading this thread.

A very succinct and compelling argument.

I read this entire fourm and it sickind me these people have this idea of how
its suposd to be those people have this idea and it all turns into a big argument about nothing! people have diffrent opinions and all of them are more then likely rong ( no effence ) every one is emperfict and no one person
is going to solve anything. but the problem is no group can decide on anything as we've seen in this fourm. theres allways some person trying to cause conflict and someone trying to solve everything and they usely endup adding to the conflict. things have gotten so bad that people are making problems out of nothing personly I blame the meidia. no I'm not saying I have the answer cuase I dont but I think that somewhere theres an answer if I had the answer to all the problems I would tell you but I dont.
my name is travis I'm 13 and this is my opinions and no one elses!!
I hope I didn't effend anyone and I hope you can understand this I
kind of have bad spelling but thats allright as long as I got my point across
:)