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05/06/2004 2:27 am
I forbid you to invoke my name in this pointless discussion.

So sayeth the Kung-Fu Master.
... and that's all I have to say about that.

[U]ALL[/U] generalizations are [U]WRONG[/U]

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Jolly McJollyson
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05/06/2004 2:32 am
Originally Posted by: iamthe_eggmanI forbid you to invoke my name in this pointless discussion.

So sayeth the Kung-Fu Master.


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I want the P-funk!

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05/06/2004 4:43 am
Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonKung-fu Ass master


Alright, that's it--
... and that's all I have to say about that.

[U]ALL[/U] generalizations are [U]WRONG[/U]

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05/06/2004 7:52 am
STOP IT FOLKS! *LOL*


[FONT=Times New Roman]Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves. What you decide to do every day makes you a good person... or not.[/FONT][br][br]

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05/06/2004 8:04 am
To those who don't want to read this long passage (I can't blame you... sorry for being long-winded!), here's a summary to begin with. I have examined many sources, from [u]Telling Right From Wrong, What Is Moral, What Is Immoral, And What Is Neither One Nor The Other[/u] to the [u]Tao Teh Ching[/u], and I have chosen [u]The Holy Bible[/u] to be my absolute standard of truth.

To answer your question, ketsueki, yes, I am a Christian. That website I pointed out was only to share a view on Allah; otherwise I don't find the tracts there very representative the things I believe.
My beliefs (which stem from my interpretation of the Bible, not what I've been spoon-fed) are quite different from many other Christians, but my belief system is that of Christianity -- I believe that...
1) God is perfect
2) God's standard is perfection (i.e. - sin pisses God off)
4) God's punishment for sin is death (death can be interpreted as both physical death, or seperation from God -- depends on context -- look at the original words used when reading certain passages).
5) We, as humans, cannot be perfect.
6) Since we cannot be perfect, we need a sacrifice (someone to take the punishment for us)
7) God used to accept the best sheep, cows, etc. as temporary penance for sin, but people started to think that they could commit any sin they wanted and just kill an animal for forgiveness, so God said, "No more", and then there was no longer this type of penance for sin - you have to be perfect.
8) God knows that no one (human) can achieve perfection, so he gave everyone a way out -- Jesus. Jesus led the perfect life that no one can live, and was killed an innocent man. (side note - I believe Jesus was God on earth... the phrase "Son of God" tends to be misused a lot, making him seem different, but they are two in the same in my eyes)
9) We must accept Jesus' death as our sacrifice, the atonement for our sin. (i.e. - realize you can't be perfect, pray Jesus enter your heart, and strive to be like him [that's not a requirement of salvation, that's a byproduct of Jesus entering your heart])

Basically, the main reasons that I choose Christianity over other religions are these... I believe in one supreme God. Consider there being many -- if I were one of many Gods in charge of the universe, I would want to be more important/have more power than the other guys... war would break out and rip the universe apart. Or can you imagine multiple God sitting down constructing the universe? Could they come to agreement on how they wanted things to be? More (most, actually) importantly, I believe in "faith based salvation". This is knowing that you can't be good enough to enter the gates of heaven and need help -- this is opposite of "works based salvation" which assumes some sort of good/bad scale on which your works are placed -- what about the guy with 50/50? Finally, I like the idea of a God that cares about me. Christianity is about having a personal relationship with God -- most other religions seem distant from their God, as if he's a far-away entity that you couldn't actually just talk to. I can openly and honestly tell God what's on my heart, and know that he cares... Take this for example -- sometimes I tell him that this guy really pissed me off today and I wanted to smash his face into a brick wall, but he understands and gives me the strength to not do that, because it's the wrong thing to do.
"You must stab him in the heart with the Bone Saber of Zumacalis... well, you could stab him in the head or the lungs, too... and the saber, it probably doesn't have to be bone, just anything sharp lying around the house... you could poke him with a pillow and kill him."

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05/06/2004 11:31 am
Is there anyone where who believe on the God that is mentioned in the First Testament? The guy who commands people to slay 7 nations, including women and children? The guy who mostley talks about punishment and not about forgivness? Where no devil even is mentioned, only the God who can be evil and good, depending on how faithfull people is? But somehow he seems to prefer killing people in that book.

Most people probably believe in the God that is mentioned in the new testament. That's a kind God. But whatch out, there is a devil, somekind of evil "twin" to the God who tries to fill people with lies and make them do evil stuff.

Well, there are severals Death Metal bands who are christians who believe in the first-testament-god. A God that doesn't show mercy to the unfaithfull and is somehow a little chaotic: "the power I've given, I can take aswell"/John Shaffer (That's the devil speaking to Spawn, but's the same principle). He can create, destroy, erase and revive (DB) as he please.

No, people should believe in whatever they want I guess, and I don't think there is anyone who have the same belief as anyone else. Everyone has there own model or system of how their God/Gods thinks and acts..
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05/06/2004 12:48 pm
Originally Posted by: ketsueki15...you bringin up that little thing about A blamed B and god forbid if your chinese (which i get your point, but it was sorta dumb)...I dont know if you would consider that "flow"...

I never said A blamed B and so on.I said you do soemthing and blame A."A" is an excuse.If you don't use a given excuse,you give another excuse."B".And so on.and if you speak a language with a lot of letters,then you've got that many excuses.Very good point.Very nicely made.There's nothing dumb to it.Even sorta.
And a conversation changing from one bit to another bit is in actual fact flow.
If this was a face to face conversation,you'd actually have interfered with the point I was trying to make,even though you do get what I'm trying to say,the chinese not having an alphabet like ours notwithstanding.
I think it's that kind of a "by the way" interference that folks here are calling nitpicking.
It's funny how this is not pissing me off.I'm thinking I should be flaming,but I'm typing sooo nicely. :confused:
That's not bad at all. :)
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05/06/2004 1:34 pm
If this were a face to face conersation...id probably not be arguing with someone over morals and whatever else this thing is about, but since its dark outside and i have nothing better to do ill argue.


I agree with everything you say theDirt..I believe the bible on how I enterpret it..not how someone at church tells me..lol
Most people beleive in the god in the new testament but some still believe in the old testament.. He was a much more merciless god in the old testament but the people pissed him off...well thats how I interpret it...its like they brought it upon themselves.
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05/06/2004 3:27 pm
Originally Posted by: ketsueki15If this were a face to face conersation...id probably not be arguing with someone over morals and whatever else this thing is about...

You still would.Only instead of typing what you're thinking,you'd be speaking it.It's not like you have two brains;one you use when talking to people face to face and the other when on a guitar web forum.
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05/06/2004 3:57 pm
Originally Posted by: kingdavid
Originally Posted by: ketsueki15If this were a face to face conersation...id probably not be arguing with someone over morals and whatever else this thing is about...
You still would.Only instead of typing what you're thinking,you'd be speaking it.It's not like you have two brains;one you use when talking to people face to face and the other when on a guitar web forum.
Once argumentative,always argumentative.


Alright, let's break it up!

Here, here's something to divert the two of you:


... and that's all I have to say about that.

[U]ALL[/U] generalizations are [U]WRONG[/U]

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05/06/2004 5:22 pm
i still dont see how someone is gonna tell me what i would do and wouldnt do in a certani situation if their not me but...

oh my!!! ...i hate tht guy..with a passion... :(
I want that (not the guy)

Whats with the cat Eggman?
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05/06/2004 7:11 pm
Originally Posted by: ketsueki15i still dont see how someone is gonna tell me what i would do and wouldnt do in a certani situation if their not me but...

oh my!!! ...i hate tht guy..with a passion... :(
I want that (not the guy)

Whats with the cat Eggman?


Pronouns are good sometimes... you hate who? Eurotubes-man? EVH?

Doesn't everyone love kitties?
... and that's all I have to say about that.

[U]ALL[/U] generalizations are [U]WRONG[/U]

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05/06/2004 8:26 pm
Yeah, innocent kitties.. I have one myself.. I would like to be a cat. They sleep 2/3 of their lifes and doesn't have any worries more than cars. No worries about rutheless killers and their music, no worries of their is any God and if God may be Allah, if their should be death penelties and why Allah means !bugger! in swedish.. =D

I'm kinda sorry I started this thread. It seems to me as people only got angry on eachother.. =(
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05/07/2004 12:23 pm
Who's that dude?
Like I've said elsewhere,I never argue just for the sake of it.I'm not a flamer.But if we end up with something engaging,I'm all in.
And what the heck,I know we could all go online and compliment each other's axes and tell each how cute we think you are,blah blah blah,but what's the use of the net without some,ahem,exchanges,as long as you don't get personal?
I don't think anyone here's gotten personal.
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05/07/2004 2:40 pm
I concur. I support arguments for the sake of arguing though.
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05/08/2004 12:13 am
Religion - Cause of most wars, we could really do without it!!

Death Penalty - Yes, if people new theyd be killed if they killed they wouldnt do it! Also it costs more money to keep a criminal in a max security prison than in a 5 star hotel! That money should be spent on other people, not the scum of the earth!
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