Politics ( do u go out and vote)

Man, I think votes are legitimate but the decisions as to the outcome are made way before hand and planned to the very second a particular person craps on a certain day. Unheard of organizations or goingson that are above the law and that plan pretty much everything that goes on in the world for capital gain. That may sound out there and without backing and it pretty much is. My favorite book is called 'The Captains and the Kings' and talks of these sorts of things somewhat. By a writer I forget who. We're all sheep and pawns in a game we have no clue we're playing and of a nature beyond our wildest dreams. And why not? Doesn't bother me as long as I can support my family, contribute to society and laugh, drink and pass out with my friends.

I could read into the details of the day but quite frankly I'd rather live... in the matrix. lol.

I don't vote either. Partly because I don't care and partly because I'm not aware that it's going on at the time. Somebody's gonna say, you should care because it's your country and you should input so that our leaders are decent representatives of the citizens wishes. People have died, wasted their very existence for the system now in place and that's not a meanial thing. I'm served by these people. What would society be without the services and laws provided by the governement? Chaos.

So why don't I care, I don't know. Look at the human brain. Busy worrying about social interaction, integration, their lives in general. Everybody lives in seclution without seeing the bigger picture, including these people that are part of the system to serve/govern us. They're just people swept away in a system, trying to rise to the top because that's the point of a career. Vote for a particular party for the government to go a certain way, do a certain thing in your meanial lives that might benifit but it's so STUPID man. Vote for this party and you get this particular thing, like paying for a certain addon in a car. What you're mostly voting for is a mans face and how much advertising they pump into your unknowing and open minds. Some people get right into it and analyse what these guys'll do and give and what those guys'll do and give. Others vote for a certain party because they always have and they feel good about voting for them like a hockey team or a favorite beer.

In the end, human nature craves power because it's the ultimate form of attention. No matter what system in place, it will never be perfect because of this aspect - always the silent genius' pulling at it from all sides for personal benifit.

And eventually the most intelligent, rich and influencial of them will group ... lol.

i guess you didnt realy get my point. i´m not looking for alternative political systems.
the main problem of this planet is the current monetary system.

The media tells us that we live in "the best of all worlds", that we have never made such a tremendous amount of progress and that the future perspectives are very promising. But noone realy dares to look behind the system to realize that our society stands at the brink of decay and is doomed to fall, and that our current World is by no means one of the best. a review of our history shows, that the mechanisms keep repeating themselves and that the present is not an exception from that. the development is always from boom to crash to crisis to war. and the development of the monetary system has always been the driving force to that.

Usury has rightly made itself hated becasue money ITSELF is now the source of profit. money is not used to what it should be. It has been made for the exchange of goods. but interests are money FROM money and therefore is the most unnatural line of business" - Aristoteles

Our interest-system is a system with expiry date. You can look at it as if it was a monopoly game. Someone is lucky to start under good conditions and earns more money then the others. he gives loans from that capital and demands interests. that way he earns even more money and can give even more lonas etc etc.. the others in the game lose more and more of their money and the pressure and competition increases. the amounts that are paid to the winners multiply themselves very quickly. at an interest rate of 7% the amount of interests that have to be payed doubles every 10 years for example.
i´ll take germany as an example (for obvious reasons since it is our neighbour country): germany had to pay (a few years ago when there was still the old currency) 1000 billion DM of interests (depts of the country, business, housholds and indirect interests). in 50 years it will be 64,000 billon DM and in 100 years 2,048,000 billion DM. HOW should that be payed????

If we want to understand history and learn from the failures of the past, we first have to understand the basicas of money. Culture is based on the society. society is based on economy and economy is based on the monetary system. So when there are problems in the monetary system they instantly affect on the economy, society and culture. when the financial system collapses completely, then society collapses aswell.

And when you search for the driving force in the monetary system you´ll find the compulsion of every economic area to get into dept.
the depts can NEVER be repaid, but instead grow each year by the given interest-rate. it is important to not only look at the depts of the state, but also at the depts of the economy and the private housholds. when for example the country - as in america - causes less depts, the growth of depts in the ecomomy rises even more.

On balance you can say that everywhere on the planet at any time when there was a monetary system with interests to be paid, the depts exploded and lead to a collapse. the growth of depts is the absolute counterpart to natural growth. while every natural growth starts fast and slows down after a while, the growth of interests starts slow but after a while it explodes into infinity. compound interest make it even worse. but since we live in a finite world, an infinite system HAS to fail and lead into chaos. its the same as cancer. at the beginning it is only one cell, but it divides onto 2, 4, 8, 16, etc. untill there is no space left and the body dies. its the same with an avalanche or an atomic bomb. every system that is based on an exponantial compond interest MUST fail.
the final stage is normally accompanied by a boom at the stock-market because the ever growing interest-capital is in need for further means of beeing invested. a crash and economic crisis is the direct result. and that leads in most cases to war which creates new posibilities to invest the capital profitably.

a good example for a interest-system in the final stage is the crisis of 1873. enterprises have been founded with massive indebteness and converted into joint-stock companies. the companies where extremely overrated. the value of the stock was in most cases 3 or 4 times bigger then the actual value of the company. more and more peeps entered the stock marked (does this sound familiar?). with all sorts of tricks (mostly trough mass-media) more and more people where lead to the stock market. in 1871 and 1872 there was virtually 1 new enterprise at the sock market PER DAY. the development was acompanied by ever rising costs for lodging. because from the upper strata of society there was a massive run for luxurious property. the development terminated in march 1873 in a collapse and the population was plunged onto poverty. hundred-thousands lost the basis of their livelihood. the crisis lasted 23 years and ended around the turn of the century in a time where booms and crashes alternated untill the whole development lead to World War I.

"The system of capitalism means eternal war. Wars are attempts to solve economic problems in a capitalistic way. the decisive question of the peace movement is: 'will we succeed in removing capitalism from the society?' When capitalism prevails, then the age of everlasting war will continue irrespective of all peace-conferences." - prof. Ruhland, System of political economy, 1908

Bad economic development is the basics for a military conflicts.

WW 2:

in the 1920´s, after the first world war, the world was experiencing an enormous economic uplift. stock market literally exploded. that development ended abruptly with the big bang in NY in october 1929. Capital receeded from the market due to ever rising insecurity. that caused a dramatic price-drop. Because of that deflation the turnover of goods receeded also because everyone was waiting for the prices to drop even further. enterprises where forced to fire thousands of people, thus decreasing the purchasing power even more. alot of banks had to close for the loans could not be repaid. the situation was hopeless. only with WW2 the economy rose to new heights because weapon industry offered promising possibilities to invest money again.

in germany the economic situation was even worse after the crash. the amount of money circulating in germany was bound to the gold-standard, meaning that a certain percentage of the value of the money had to be stored in gold and was therefore bound to the value of gold. when amierica retrieved their gold from germany, the gouvernment was forced to take alot of money out of the german economy. at that time the law was, that 1/3 of the value of the currency had to be stored in gold at the reichsbank. so for every unit of gold that was retrieved by america, the gouvernment had to retrieve 3 units worth money from the german economy. that, of course lead to massive deflation. the average income sank by 40% between 1928 and 1932 and the gross-investments even by 75%. economic perspectives where getting darker and darker and there was a big rise in unemployment. in this situation the radical NSDAP managed to rise from a lil party-fragment to the biggest party in germany on a 1:1 ratio with the growth of unemployment. so it was not the apathy of peeps that where sick of voting or didnt care- it was the bad economy and the suffering that drove peeps to vote for a party that promised them work and wealth. else the NSDAP would never have made it to the leading party and Hitler would never have been our Führer.

after a war there is very ofteh the impression, that it was unpredictable. but the truth is, that in most cases, everyone with some basic knowledge in financial matters has been able to forsee it.

here are a few examples:

Prof. Ruhland (1908) warned 6 years before WW1
"when excessivley taking the advantage of loans, with the help of bank and stock-capital, a national aswell as an international chaining of private enterprises takes place in what seems to be a well-planned manner. this, in our belligerent age, will one day lead to a crisis. a crisis of an extent that has hardly been experienced by any nation in history"

Ruhland entitled the war as "source of income for the rich". more and more capital is gathered in the hands a fewer and fewer persons and as a consequence those super-rich will come into conflict and fight themselves. it is because of tremendous depts that nations are involved in conflicts

Graf von Moltke (1800-1891) commander of the prussian army said on behalf of the wars of that time:
the big wars of the new age have been started against the will of the gouvernments. the stock-marked has gained so much power, that it can call to arms on behalf of its goals."

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Silvio Gesell, 1918
Silvio Gesell, a german bussinessman in argentinia, who was one of the first to introduce an economic system without interests, warned already in 1918 (!!)- after the peace-yearning of WW1 - of another armed konflict.
"despite the holy promise of nations, to abandon war for all times and despite the cry of millions 'no war ever again' and despite all hopes for a better future, you have to say: when we keep todays monetary system of interest, then i dare to predict, that it wont last for 25 years untill there will be another, even more gruesome war.
i can see the development very clearly. todays technical abilities will help the economy to rise quickly to unknown heights. despite of the big war losses alot of new capital will form within no time and keep the interest low. money will be hoarded. the economic spaces will shirnk and masses of unimployees will fill the streets. you will be able to read signs on the borders saying 'people without work are not permitted - only lazy folks with alot of money are welcome'.
like in the old days there will be conflicts on estates and there will be new weapons to be constructed. at least for the unemployees there will be work again in the weapon industry. within the dissatisfied masses wild, revolutional mindedness will arise and the poisenous plant of over-natianalism will grow rampant again. no country will be able to understand the other and in the end there will be war again"

as you can see, the armed conflicts of the past WHERE predictable. but noone seems to have learned from history. today, war is described as "meassures to bring peace". by that, one understands the attempt to foce brutal dictators by the use of weapons to give in to western doctrines. but that wont change the cause in the financial system, nore will there be piece installed in the soviety.

the bombardements and sanctions on serbia for example threw the country back to the economic level of 1968! with such meassures the preassure on the country grows, to forcefully expand its economic area - sanctions force a country to war.

dont you see where this all leads to?

i give the WORLD another 10, maybe 15 years untill there will be pure, utter chaos. WW3 is not far.

there was a time in europe - in the medievial ages - where it already worked:

the gothic ages where more advanced than our actual society.
"in the medieval ages, the people had more spare time than today. an average of 115 days off a year." (Southgerman Newspaper, 6.4.1999)

the hightime of the "golden medieval age" (1150 to 1450) was the most advanced period in history. at that time, social differences where as little as never before and never after again. those who had much gained it through hard work, and not by waiting for the money to multiply itself trough the use of interest without working for it. the minimum number of holidays a year was 90 and sometimes up to 150 (!). soon monday was a fix day off too so people had to work only 4 days a week. archbishop Antonin von Florenz said that it was quite normal that in order to maintain a good living standard, it was completely sufficient to work only 4 days a week - only to those who were after more money had to work more. the daily worktime in freiburg´s coalmine was only 6 hours per day (!!!). the expliotation of the peasons was inexistant because for those who wanted, there was enough work in the ever growing cities as craftsman for example. the regular income was that high, that even the poorest day labourers could afford 5-6 kg of the most expensive meat PER DAY. In Meissen every bricklayer-apprentice had to get 5 Groschen a week extra cash for bathing! that was in a time when a "scheffel" grain did cost 5-6 groschen. and a "scheffel" was almost 104 LITERS. compared to our modern time, where free-time is rare and the preasue at work is ever increasing, this time was like PARADISE.

the time between 1150 and 1450 was a time of NO crisis in europe. around 1150 archbishop Wichmann startet to issue money (coins) that was exchanged two times a year. the objective was to gather the taxes on a regular and easy basis. 12 old "pfennig" where exchanged by 9 new "pfennig" - the difference was the tax. in order to easily and quickly melt the coins and make new money out of them, they where only made of thin metal and they had a picture on only one side. hence the name "Brakteaten" (bractes = thin tin). very quickly the method spread throughout the land and the gathering of huge amounts of money became unattractive. to avoid the next exchange, the money was given to others as interest-free loans, because only the owner had to pay the tax. thus money was a mere exchange-good - nothing more. thats what true sense of money should be. how immense that economic uplift had been can be seen by the development of german cities at that time. around 1300 there where lots of new cities and a tremendous ammount of economic development, that has never been acceived again in history up to now. this was the time where the big cathedrals were built all over europe. financed by VOLUNTEER DONATIONS of NORMAL citicens. this displays how confident the people must have been in those days, because who would donate for a century-project when he cannot be sure to survive the next day?
the situation changed as greedy salesmen started to introduce (step by step) a currency that has not been exchanged twice a year anymore, but only once every 4 years. this development was driven by the Fuggers. after the introduction of heavy, both-side printed coins between 1480 and 1560 the fuggers where able to make it to the mighthiest clan of those times. money was only given away at HIGH interest rates. for example an investment of 900 gulden got you 30.000 gulden of interest after 6 years. within just a few years the allocation of property moved to the hands of just a few rich ones. alot of the big cathedrals could not be completed anymore- they remained unfinished skeletons for 300 years and more untill they have finally been finished in the last century. the situation for normal people changed so drastically, that it lead to big peasant-wars at the beginning of the 16th century. the guilds where not free for anoyne to join anymore, thus blocking the way to self-employment for most people. new developments where surpressed. for example the invention of the mechanic loom was forbidden and the inventor killed. the peeps could not explain the sudden change to the bad side and therefore started with the inquisitons and blamed it on witches. the dark medieval ages had begun and basically didnt end till today.


as long as we dont see clearly and realize the failure in the system, we will be trapped in the wheel of boom, crash, crisis and war. and the number of victims increases. 70.000 in the war of 1870, 6 million in WW1 and 60 million in WW2 - be prepared for WW3! will be alot of fun.

and to say "its our faith - we just are that way" is absolutely dumb. that way we could just trow it all away and drop the bomb.

Originally posted by Azrael
the situation changed as greedy salesmen started to introduce (step by step) a currency that has not been exchanged twice a year anymore, but only once every 4 years. this development was driven by the Fuggers. after the introduction of heavy, both-side printed coins between 1480 and 1560 the fuggers where able to make it to the mighthiest clan of those times.

heh heh.... fuggers...