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the fool
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01/26/2004 5:16 am
frankin buff and surfpick, thnx for all the help- especially your detailed post frankin buff. U mentioned that u only got a min. or so to say something but thnx for a very detailed info. That's a very impressive guitar that you make there and very economical I think- the 500 bucks for the parts alone is very cheap I think. I've spent more than a grand upgrading the guitar I have with the graphtech ghost/hexpander system, gold grover deluxe tuners, gibson 57 classic/ 57 classic plus pickups, dual concentric pots, tp 6 tail piece, bone nut, varitone switch- the whole hardware basically with some improvements, the gold plating, and the labor to have my epi les paul es become my dream guitar. thinking about the money i spent- i should've had one custom made but I guess I have no regrets because I love my guitar. Now that I found the ultimate electric guitar for me, I was actually thinking of getting an acoustic guitar made out of unusual wood- it doesnt have to be exotic or rare, just unusual in a sense that you wouldn't think people would actually make a guitar our of this kind of wood. I was thinking of getting one made from Langka or Bamboo- any tropical tree that doesn't grow here in countries that have a winter season. Have u ever tried making acoustic guitars out of these tropical trees like langka, bamboo, mango, or coconut?
"Lets see… well I play the guitar and when I'm not playing the guitar, I think about playing the guitar. My other favorite instrument, is the guitar and if I aspired to play any other instrument, it would be the guitar...

I can’t sing so I sing through my guitar. So when the sound guy says: “Your guitar is too loud!” I think: "Why does he never say that to the vocalist?"
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01/26/2004 12:20 pm
Me too.

I wish I could buy this: Check it out

The Breedlove that I bought, although not nearly as glamorous as that King Koa model.. is built with the same Breedlove design enhancements. Here's a pic.

It ships today. I can't wait!

If I was spending big bucks on an electric though, I too would prefer to have one custom made by somebody like Frank.

[Edited by iamthe_eggman on 01-26-2004 at 09:25 AM]
best regards,
Ra
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01/26/2004 7:52 pm
SurfPick and The Fool (sounds like a good title for a new TV series)!

We've only made these four solidbodies so far, and need to sell the first one, which is in process, to get the money we need to take the next step.

We've got an endorsement from a highly-regarded local player (Jason Drabek) who currently is in Denver working on a recording project his band (Sweatin' Like Nixon) just signed onto. When he returns we plan to use him in a testimonial presentation to some regional players. If some sales result from that introduction, we're off and running. If not, I'll retire to Key West and make picks out of the leftover cocobolo!

We don't plan to make hollowbody guitars, as that requires a totally different skills set that we just don't have the time to acquire.

SurfPick, yeah I'd love to try to work that Leadwood! We actually had to give up on our intention of capping the prototype with the cocobolo as it was too hard for us to shape. I never mentioned the cost of the equipment required to fabricate a solid body instrument out of these dense woods. Even router bits and plainer blades are expensive enough to be a factor.

One of our planned laminates incorporates ebony as the revealed layer where you see maple in the prototype. With caps of cocobolo, an absolutely incredible wood with gorgeous contrasting grain colors, or bloodwood, that would be beautiful. The ebony takes on a tremendous glow when finished with 600 grit and beyond, looking almost like a molded plastic, but with a texture and depth that clearly is not.

The Fool, I understand how you could spend what you did on customizing an existing guitar, but we shopped as wisely for components as possible, and wound up with great results, as I am sure you did also.

Tuners are excellent PlanetWaves locking/trimmers with an 18:1 ratio.

Bridge is Schaller fine tuning and is perfect in design and mass, looking great and working accordingly. Very kind on strings too, with its well made saddles.

Pickups are Seymour Duncan Jazz, JB, and Pearly Gates, with 59s and Alnico IIs planned for coming models.

Concentric volume/tone and 5 position 4-pole SuperSwitch along with on-on-on minis are all premium quality. There is an additional cost for the black finish we chose, but the appearance justifies it.

Molded metal pickup rings and Electrosocket surface mounted output jack are additional premium touches.

Every routed surface related to the pickups and controls is double coated with shielding paint, terminating in contact tabs for controls and rings.

All wiring is .090 coaxial cable. So, all added together, this is one quiet guitar. When compared with my Strat in my noisy neighborhood, the Piranha is almost dead quiet in its single coil modes, and absolutely dead quiet in series/parallel/and phase-reversed.

The ebony fingerboards combined with the v-shaped neck profile make these instruments real players. Our next two guitars will have two different fret wire sizes on their 24 fret fingerboards which should result in better playability in the second octave. Still, these guitars are fast!

Again, with the density of these woods and the non-damping oil finish, the timbre and sustain are phenomenal. I can hit a note, take off the guitar and set it down, go out of the room and come back, and it's still audibly ringing!

Sorry to run on here, but I thought that some of this might be interesting and useful, especially in light of the discussion in this thread. These topics, and many othes, have been thoroughly covered in the Usenet guitar making group.

It's also nice to know for people trying to wring the most out of their current equipment and willing to do a little customizing. That Epi sounds like a prime example of this.

Frank
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01/26/2004 8:40 pm

Surfpick and the Fool

Fighting crime and strumming steel..
but always with time for the ladies.

Coming Soon ... on FOX !

I think I've heard of 'Sweating Like Nixon' ?
That's all a great product like yours needs..
some good publicity.


Ebony and maple make for a beatiful touch of contrast
when laminated together.

You don't want to mess with the Leadwood,
for anything that isn't small.
Lignum Vitae and Ebony are a joy to work compared to it.
It is like working with granite.

best regards,
Ra
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01/27/2004 12:17 am
LOL frankinbuff and surfpick

I don't mind the extensive post frankinbuff. I actually, love hearing you talk about guitars and your vast knowledge of it and I thank you for sharing your time. I find it all very interesting and I feel that I've really learned a lot. I'm a guitar fanatic myself and I love reading about anything related to the guitar such as materials for construction, the new technology/ gadgets available nowadays, and the guitars out there- especially from people like you who are not known yet and who are just beginning to make guitars. I strongly believe that no- name brand manufacturers tend to make the best guitars because you can guarantee that everything's made out by hand, everything's hand picked, and the attention to detail is superb. They spend more time to give quality to guitars instead of the big shot brand- mass produced- hurried- low quality- guitars made nowadays.

Just look at PRS. PRS used to make the best guitars in the 80s when it was still a relatively unknown brand compared to Gibsons and Fenders- everything's hand made and they select the best wood and materials available for construction. But when PRS started to gain popularity I think in 1985 or 86 and everyone's demanding one in the 90's, they have to start mass producing their guitars, started building their guitars through machines instead of by hand, they don't pay as much attention to detail, quality, and craftsmanship anymore. They also started cost cutting and also used very cheap asian hardware, and woods instead of american and german hardware which is very sad. That's why if you noticed, the old PRSs sound more superior than the new PRS that they come up nowadays although they're selling the new PRSs now for almost double or triple the price of the older PRSs.





"Lets see… well I play the guitar and when I'm not playing the guitar, I think about playing the guitar. My other favorite instrument, is the guitar and if I aspired to play any other instrument, it would be the guitar...

I can’t sing so I sing through my guitar. So when the sound guy says: “Your guitar is too loud!” I think: "Why does he never say that to the vocalist?"
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01/29/2004 7:46 pm
I gotta agree... my head hurts from all the stuff I learned today.. thanks a TON frankensurf!!!!

so with all the long posts, I figured that mine should be a squeak -

http://www.doolinguitars.com/

pretty cool stuff he's makin out there and he's got some exotic woods you can select from... just thought it would make for some interesting browsing...

cheers!

"The one truly great thing about this life is that noone can sincerely and truly help someone, without helping themselves"

Ralph Waldo Emerson
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01/29/2004 8:06 pm
That's a unique acoustic Spanky.
I love what they've done with the soundhole.


I got my Gretsch yesterday ( thumbs down )
and my Breedlove today (thumb up )

I put more info on surfpick.com/guitars


I'm gonna add photos of the Gretsch soon,
because although I'm shipping it back..
it is a beautiful guitar in near showroom condition.

Also, the playability of that neck is like butter.
I couldn't get past the tone though.
I replaced the bridge with Lignum Vitae..
but it didn't help much.

I'm not ruling out the LV saddles based on that though..
for all I know, the stuff could help make bad guitars sound worse?

The true test will be when I butcher this Breedlove to add
an LV saddle and nut.

Yes, I scare myself.


best regards,
Ra
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01/29/2004 8:13 pm
LOL!!!

Don't think of it as scary, think of it as adventerous...

if it were a $3k guitar it would run right past scary to insane!!!!

I just thought the section with the woods and stuff would be interesting... also that doubleneck, the kid that plays it is incredible! I've found soooo many great guitarists since joining this board and most of them on accident. Kinda like that "joy of painting" dude... bob ross...

happy little accidents =)
"The one truly great thing about this life is that noone can sincerely and truly help someone, without helping themselves"

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