Originally posted by griphon2
Time signatures have nothing to do with feel. All time signatures do is give you a place to start in terms of reading. Time signatures and tempo markings are two different entities. Feel is another separate entity.
I have to disagree; time signature has everything to do with feel. The easiest example to understand is the Waltz. 1, 2, 3. 1 is accented. 3/4 has a particular feel to it. Like when you dance to a waltz, you always step on 1. Then you count 2, and 3. The tempo tells you how fast you count. Now the feel is from the way your counting 1, 2, 3, repeat. Now what I was asking is how would distinguish 3/4 or 3/8 or 6/8 or even 1/1 (like you said "I count them as one beat a measure or something")?? Each one has a different way for counting the beats, or different feel. This is the feel I'm talking about; maybe you think I'm talking about something else.
Originally posted by griphon2
Straight eights and swing eights are written exactly the same. The straight eights are read as triplets in swing and a good deal of bebop. Straight eights make the reading easier.
Swing feel is just counting the beat in a swinging fashion. An example is someone swinging on a swing set, and counting each time the time the person swings from one end of the set to the other. The result is counting the beats in a swinging fashion. Well you should get the idea. Man this is hard to explain in writing. Triplet feel is completely different. A triplet feel is taking an ordinary 4/4 T.S and counting it in triplet fashion. Itās something like what I thought Azreal was trying to say with polyrhythms, somewhat. But instead of squeezing a polyrhythm like 5:4 into a 4/4 T.S, your taking a 3:2 (triplet ratio) and turning it into 4/4, by writing the rhythm in 4/4 but having it sound like a triplet. I hope that makes sense.
Originally posted by griphon2
If you want to accent the next beat, have at it. What difference does it make where you start?
Originally posted by griphon2
Again, time signatures only give one a place to start. X=X
Are you contradicting yourself?? ;) A time signature has nothing to do with where you start the music. You can start it on the first beat, or you can start it anywhere in between.
Originally posted by griphon2
It's either 3 or 4 in some form, most of the time. 3 is three and 4 is four.
Ehhh. Yeah in some form I guess, that is if youāre talking about the top number of a T.S. The number can be just about any number. Take 6/8, which is a compound time signature, meaning it is made up of 2 time signatures. 3/8 and 3/8. The same applies to 5/4, which is made up of 3/4 and 2/4, giving it a sense of incompleteness. Hopefully you can hear a song and at least tell if it is either a 4/4 or a 5/4. I don't know cause you said you count everything as one. This is where the whole āfeelā thing that Iām talking about comes in.
Originally posted by griphon2
Variations only occur to make the music more complicated.
This is simply a math question. The various ways that people view math will control how it's written on paper.
So it would be ok to write something that is a waltz in 4/4?? Mathematics will allow this just because those numbers can be equaled. It is much more than just mathematics, granted math does play a role though.
Originally posted by griphon2
Playing and reading/writing are two different items. Reading/writing takes tons of practice and experience.
By being able to read music you can play the music the way it is meant to be played. Time signature always gives you the feel even if youāre just taping your foot along with your playing, or most importantly having a drummer. When writing it helps you organize your music alot better, than if you didnāt understand the concept of T.S.
Originally posted by griphon2
Granted. But I haven't met the person that could count out loud 12 or 16 taps at tempo marking of 120 or 100, for that matter.
Look at my post again. Iām talking about 12-16 notes in one single beat, not a measure. If you donāt understand you definitely should look into this cause you donāt got it. Iām telling you look into it cause it will help you out a lot more than you think.
Originally posted by griphon2
I'll give powertab a gander, but I sincerely doubt it does what I am saying. For example:
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1 a seven note figure (evenly)
Yeah. Powertab can write 7 notes equally, I explained that. They are called polyrhythmics. Like if you were trying to play 7 notes equally in a 4/4 time signature. You would write 7 quarter notes, and write the ratio as 7:4.
[Edited by noticingthemistake on 06-16-2003 at 11:24 PM]
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