snojones THANKYOU! i will save your message i actually had a real breakthrough this week and don't realize how i am ready to go blind. my fingers know where these chords are and i need to jump this bridge and not look anymore, and i watched a video that said to find your 'sweet spot' where YOUR fingers feel most comfortable to make the chord and believe it or not the D chord where i have really struggled, silly as it may seem, in a faster song to nail it without issue i finally can this week after having taken that advice, so onward i go! thanks again bud