Hey, Gary! Great questions & interesting topics. :) I'm going to try to tackle them one at a time.[br]

Originally Posted by: BigScaryGary[br]I'd like to start a thread asking about soloing and the caged system to help each other understand it better, and maybe this can even branch out into a class (I would love a comprehensive caged course, and would definitely go full access for it!).[br][/quote][br]Learning to play lead guitar (solos or melodic lines) comes down to 3 points.

1. Know what key you are in (what scale is being used for most or all of the notes in a song or chords you are soloing over).

2. Locate & target chord tones (rhythmically emphasize the notes of the chords in the chord progression as they change).

3. Build a repertoire of licks, tricks, fills & ideas that will form the vocabulary of things you can use to improvise & play on the spot.

I did a long blog post about soloing here.

https://www.guitartricks.com/blog/how-to-play-a-guitar-solo

So, when guitarists say they are using the CAGED system to play lead guitar what they mean is that they are using the CAGED shapes as visual reference guides to locate chord tones. What's not usually also mentioned is that they know what the key is & what scales surround those chord tone CAGED shapes. They kind of assume you should already know that part.

I did a couple of long posts on the CAGED system in these threads.

https://www.guitartricks.com/forum/thread.php?f=10&t=45572

https://www.guitartricks.com/forum/thread.php?f=36&t=38338[br][br]

Originally Posted by: BigScaryGary[br]I used to be a Full Access member until I got to a point where I didn't know where to go to learn new things. I wanted to focus on soloing and bought a book from Amazon. Despite it having over four stars on reviews, I'm missing the concept. I'm hoping I'm not the only one struggling with this.[br][/quote][br]No, you are not! It's a hard, tricky & huge topic that all guitarists have to struggle through to find their own way.

I encourage you to re-up your subscription in order to work through the Blues, Rock or Country courses because Anders does a great job of showing how to do all 3 points I mentioned above. Know the key, target chord tones, build licks![br] [br]I also have a big collection of tutorials aimed at these topics & skills. I think GT made most of the lessons in this one free! Check it out! It covers how to use the pentatonic box, but also how to target chord tones.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=217[br][quote=BigScaryGary][br]The premise behind caged is that every chord has its own position of each of these shapes in the different places on the neck. So if the rhythm section is playing an F chord, and I'm soloing at a certain spot on the neck, I can pick one of these shapes that matches with where I want to play the F, and play licks based on that shape. Then when the rhythm section switches to an A chord, rather than me moving to a different place on the neck, I just use one of the five chord shapes that matches with the A chord at my finger position, so the soloing blends more. Is that correct?[br]

[br]Yes, sort of. :)

But your question is a good example of where I think CAGED can hinder more than help. If the band is playing an F, then just target the chord tones of an F, the notes F, A & C. Why worry about trying to visualize how an F looks like a C in one part of the neck, but an A in another part of the neck, or a G in yet another part of the neck? Why not just learn what the basic major triad looks like, where the Fs are & play them?

In my estimation CAGED just puts a superficial layer of information in between what you need to see & what you have to play. I understand it has & can help some players![br][quote=BigScaryGary][br]Where I'm getting lost is that the book I'm trying to use starts with the minor pentatonic scale, and their shapes don't look anything like C, A, G, E, and D; and it doesn't explain how these are used to build licks. I don't understand when you stay within the chord shape and when you move out of it, and how you quickly figure out which shape to use.[br]

[br]That's because CAGED uses notes from the full 7 note diatonic major scale, not just the 5 note pentatonic scale. All those shapes are in there, but sometimes you have to add back in the diatonic notes. :) I also have tutorials on how to do that.

For now, try those free lessons. And also check out these YouTube vids I did that cover some of these topics: soloing, lead playing, improvising, building a melody, targeting chord tones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yWHuMaUMDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqCvk3gFS0c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJuh1nj-VM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJNeDP0hYdw

Hope this helps! Hang in there!