What the hell does Clapton do?
I was looking on an earlier thread and saw a discussion about guitars that had more than 32 frets. That brought to my mind a question. What the hell does Eric Clapton do on his Layla solo (electric one of course) since he uses a Fender Stratocaster and hits notes located around the 29 - 34 frets of the high E string. Is it possible to play it on a normal 24 fret guitar? Although I think it will not be possible, if so, please explain how. Thanks...
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You can play slide all the way up the string until you slide past the pick-up you are using, ie.. use the neck p/u slide past it and the sound just dies off, use the bridge p/u and you just keep going, the notes are extremely close together up that high, as far as 32 fret guitars go, a slide is really nothing but a moveable fret that you can use from the nut to the bridge, I wonder how many notes that could be on one string? 60? 70?, hmmm, deep thoughts to ponder!
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hmmm... you should be able to have a an infinite number of notes on a string ...
cos everytime you halve the length of string avialable you go up an octave... eg the e string, when the string is at full length ie open, you've got E, at 12th fret (which is half the length of the string), you've got another E but an octave higher, at 24th fret, that's half of the left over distance, ie it's at 1/4 length, you have another E again an octave higher, at 32 nd fret, that's half the left over length, so that's 1/8th length left, you have another ocatave...
So at 1/16th, 1/32, 1/64, 1/128, 1/256, 1/512, 1/1024.... 1/infinity, you have an E, so you've got (in theory an infinite number of notes)...
but the main problem is that the bridge pickup isn't that close to the bride, so you cant get to those really really high octaves... another problem is human hearing range, anything over 20000hertz and you cant hear it... and the reason you cant get infinite, is because at some point you'll reach down to the size of atoms (not very good for sounds on thier own :D lol), and then sub atomic particles, and then????????????????...
cos everytime you halve the length of string avialable you go up an octave... eg the e string, when the string is at full length ie open, you've got E, at 12th fret (which is half the length of the string), you've got another E but an octave higher, at 24th fret, that's half of the left over distance, ie it's at 1/4 length, you have another E again an octave higher, at 32 nd fret, that's half the left over length, so that's 1/8th length left, you have another ocatave...
So at 1/16th, 1/32, 1/64, 1/128, 1/256, 1/512, 1/1024.... 1/infinity, you have an E, so you've got (in theory an infinite number of notes)...
but the main problem is that the bridge pickup isn't that close to the bride, so you cant get to those really really high octaves... another problem is human hearing range, anything over 20000hertz and you cant hear it... and the reason you cant get infinite, is because at some point you'll reach down to the size of atoms (not very good for sounds on thier own :D lol), and then sub atomic particles, and then????????????????...
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i read bout that somewhere. some ancient greek guy had
this paradox named after him. seems ya cant never
get anywhere because you must first go halfway, then
halfway, then halfway, and on and on ad infinitum.
guess we're stuck halfway there huh ?
this paradox named after him. seems ya cant never
get anywhere because you must first go halfway, then
halfway, then halfway, and on and on ad infinitum.
guess we're stuck halfway there huh ?
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actually, you can produce infinite number of notes.
every fraction of the string produces different sound (though its hard to HEAR the difference) so even between open string and the first fret you've got infinite number of notes! (just like between 0 and 1)
of course you will still have the problem of the atoms! :)
every fraction of the string produces different sound (though its hard to HEAR the difference) so even between open string and the first fret you've got infinite number of notes! (just like between 0 and 1)
of course you will still have the problem of the atoms! :)
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and the Devil sent cooks.
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But the notes between the first and second frets for instance are not all notes used in western music, in fact, none of them are. They sound pretty cool though... I'd love to get a fretless guitar, I think King Crimson sometimes use them.
"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year, it's just not that widely reported".
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This 'Zenon paradox' was created to tackle the sophists, to give them a problem to go against (sophists job was to 'create truth' within any given situation, they had to be right! I guess the new sophists are politicians)
The problem with this is that you consider distance like an infinite thing while it isn't infinite. A string has a length, and after a while only moving for the smallest thing will not be the half of the remaining distance...
The problem with this is that you consider distance like an infinite thing while it isn't infinite. A string has a length, and after a while only moving for the smallest thing will not be the half of the remaining distance...
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The very concept of infinity is challenged by some paradoxes that deal with the idea. If you have a printer that prints a page with a 1 on it in a minute, then prints a 2 in 30 seconds, then a 1 in 15, then a 2 in 7.5 etc. what number does it print last when 2 minutes are up? Sure, the printer isn't physically possible, but htink about it: on one hand you have the idea of infinity, that you can't reach the end of. On the other hand you have a finite amount of time with very discreet numbers. You surely have to have one or the other - a 1 or a 2 at the end of the second minute.The problem arises like in the guitar string problem of ftting a theory of the infinite onto a physical finite thing. Still, it is fun to get your head around.
"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year, it's just not that widely reported".
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There are other paradoxes that are pretty cool, maths are very fun when they are used in this way.
It's also very cool using them in music...
It's also very cool using them in music...
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niether/ both...
yeah, bardsely your printer problem rem,inds of the boring as hell amths we used to have to do.. god gps and aps... i mean it's not bad, you can work out sequences, but it's pretty boring... and to be honest has no real practical uses for someone like me...well, it may do soemwhere down the line... but now it doesn't...
I'm strugeling to type this post cos my pc keeps on typing own accord... I mean it tyes crap like "I a then them man..." words, but plain nonsense... i'm worried it's a virus...
yeah, bardsely your printer problem rem,inds of the boring as hell amths we used to have to do.. god gps and aps... i mean it's not bad, you can work out sequences, but it's pretty boring... and to be honest has no real practical uses for someone like me...well, it may do soemwhere down the line... but now it doesn't...
I'm strugeling to type this post cos my pc keeps on typing own accord... I mean it tyes crap like "I a then them man..." words, but plain nonsense... i'm worried it's a virus...
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Anything that makes you think a bit is good for you, even if it doesn't help you drive a car, get a job, etc. The value of pure thinking is sometimes overlooked, but I have to believe that it is a good thing - I'm a humanities student!
"Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year, it's just not that widely reported".
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infinity can't be defined in real life just theoretically.
this whole debate is theoretical and theoretically you can play infinite number of notes on one string (even if infinity of power Aleph0)
take that from somebody who studies:
Calculus
Algebra
Abstract Algebra
Discrete Math
Regular Differential Equations
:eek:
and will learn (unfortunately) more next semester...
;)
this whole debate is theoretical and theoretically you can play infinite number of notes on one string (even if infinity of power Aleph0)
take that from somebody who studies:
Calculus
Algebra
Abstract Algebra
Discrete Math
Regular Differential Equations
:eek:
and will learn (unfortunately) more next semester...
;)
God sent meat,
and the Devil sent cooks.
Excuse me while i keep this eye
and the Devil sent cooks.
Excuse me while i keep this eye
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lol... praise the lord i dont have to do maths or physics anymore... some of it like the cosmology side of both subjects is cool... but crap like aps and gps is boring as hell... and the questions you get are boring as hell... like "A chess club open a bank acount is opened, and £5000 is put in. Every year £200 is given as a prize. The intrest rate is 5% per anum. How many years can the prize money be given in full?".. BORING!!!! (did i mention i missed my much need A by about 6 marks out of 240 :()
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hadnt thought of this as a forum for such subjects.
but since ya guys are likin it, i'll add some.there
is not an infinite set of subsets within any finite
set. and there is no proof that the universe is either
finite or infinite. it may well be shrinking now but
the light of those most distant galaxies has not
reached us yet. we see wut happened out there billions
of years ago and wont know wut theyre doin now for
billions more . :)
but since ya guys are likin it, i'll add some.there
is not an infinite set of subsets within any finite
set. and there is no proof that the universe is either
finite or infinite. it may well be shrinking now but
the light of those most distant galaxies has not
reached us yet. we see wut happened out there billions
of years ago and wont know wut theyre doin now for
billions more . :)
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Neither. It is twice as big as it needs to be. :D
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