Triads

Hey everyone.

Iv been studying alot of theory lately as you told me to do, and i can allready feel that it's helping alot. But i have a little bit of a problem though, nothing serious i think. But i would really really like to get it down, im curently taking Christophers lesson (Music theory: a brief overview) and iv made it to the Section with triads with the formulas for major and minor and that stuff, but i have a problem visualising the patterns :confused: especially with the G string because it's a fret apart from the others...

I feel like it's not the hardest thing to learn to do, but i would like an advise how to practice it?

Originally Posted by: caponi14im curently taking Christophers lesson (Music theory: a brief overview) and iv made it to the Section with triads with the formulas for major and minor and that stuff, but i have a problem visualising the patterns :confused: especially with the G string because it's a fret apart from the others...

I am not sure what you mean by the G string being apart. Perhaps you meant the B string? There is a change in interval when you get to crossing from the G string to B string. This means that any scale or chord pattern that you used involving the bottom three strings will have to be adjusted up a string when it involves the G and B strings. Look at the tutorials linked below for examples.

This tutorial shows how to view triads across various combinations of mostly 1 and 2 strings (although I do mention 3 strings):

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=389

I saved most of the 3 string concepts for this tutorial:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=148

And you can practice that concept with these lessons on triads and their inversions across the fretboard:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=730
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=731
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=733
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=734

Let me know how it goes or if you have more questions!

yes, sorry.

It's the B string that confuses me.

Originally Posted by: caponi14yes, sorry.

It's the B string that confuses me.

No need for an apology. A simple, honest mistake. :)

Did you have a look at the tutorials? In particular my triads and inversions tutorial clearly shows in notation and fretboard diagrams all the patterns and precisely how they change crossing the G-B string gap.

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=148

For example, in lesson 2 of that tutorial, there is a diagram that shows how the major chord triads and their inversions look the same everywhere, except with that peculiar shift of one fret up when they cross the G-B strings:

http://www.guitartricks.com/lesson.php?input=9213

Consider, if all the strings were tuned uniformly at an interval of a 4th (i.e.: at the 5th fret), then all the root position chords shapes would look exactly the same! And likewise, all the first inversion shapes would look the same, etc. It's only because there is a confusing change crossing the G-B string gap that we have different shapes!

Make sense?

Yeah, it makes sense.

But can you maybe type a list of the lessons about all this right from scratch to where i learn to acually use it.

because im getting a little confused with the order of the lessons, which to take first and what then comes next and which lessons i should finish the deal with to get it right?

i understand the concept about the scales and what notes to take from them,the 1 the 3 and the 5. So whould it be right to start from here?

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=389

And where do i go next?

I really, really, really want to get this down, nomatter the cost!! And im really trying my best, im just being confused about the order of lessons... Cause im sure i can get it propperly if i know exactly where to start and where to end.

Thanks Chris.

Originally Posted by: caponi14Yeah, it makes sense.

But can you maybe type a list of the lessons about all this right from scratch to where i learn to acually use it.

because im getting a little confused with the order of the lessons, which to take first and what then comes next and which lessons i should finish the deal with to get it right?

i understand the concept about the scales and what notes to take from them,the 1 the 3 and the 5. So whould it be right to start from here?

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=389

And where do i go next?

I really, really, really want to get this down, nomatter the cost!! And im really trying my best, im just being confused about the order of lessons... Cause im sure i can get it propperly if i know exactly where to start and where to end.

Thanks Chris.

I think what's needed is a course outline formatted for the topic of Music Theory, like the Fundamentals 1 and 2 are organized as I am a new member here and find navigating around in the topic of theory a little unorganized as well. I see Chris did a brief overview of Music Theory which touches on the main points, but it seems like GT should be able to take all the lessons they have on theory now and put it in a somewhat logical order like a course. I think since GT has such a huge amount of lessons now, the "lessons" screen needs to be organized a bit more to cover the items that don't necessarily fit in the styles catagories(I know there are quicklinks at the bottom, but some of those should be main points).

Just my opinion.. . .

Chris -as a new member from another guitar site, I started with your Fund 2 Course, and although I know most of it already(Just wanted a refresher course before moving onto the rock courses), you are great at conveying concepts that can be challenging for new guitarists. I've actually picked up new ways of looking at things(Such as major and minor scales - previously I only viewed them from the 5 basic shapes(Fretboard logic - CAGED system). Although they are the same, I don't feel as boxed in on them the way you present them

On last question - have you done any lessons for a musician who plays both lead and rhythm (One guitarist in band). When that's the case, lead patterns that stay close to chord changes are crucial and I find myself having a hard time with it - More of a style of ryhthm guitar with the use of embellishments(Like Hendrix did alot of).

if that hasn't been covered, I think that would be a good lesson to add for students.

Michael

It would be nice to have a Just Theory track as is suggested. I've been enjoying ren's articles in the news letters. Archive is here http://www.guitartricks.com/newsletter_archive.php for anyone looking. I think these articles started in Aprilish.

Originally Posted by: caponi14But can you maybe type a list of the lessons about all this right from scratch to where i learn to acually use it.

Do this:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=148
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=730
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=731
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=733
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=734

Then let me know! :)

Originally Posted by: guitarplayer196I think what's needed is a course outline formatted for the topic of Music Theory ...[/quote]
Great idea. :)

I've heard it mentioned as a project for the future. But for now, I have lots of theory covered. And Ren is doing a good job in addressing the basics in an academic, methodical manner in the newsletter.

Originally Posted by: guitarplayer196
I see Chris did a brief overview of Music Theory which touches on the main points, but it seems like GT should be able to take all the lessons they have on theory now and put it in a somewhat logical order like a course.
[/quote]
I put some appropriate links in each lesson of the music theory overview tutorial. But, you are absolutely right: eventually there should be a completely ordered, organized course. And eventually there will be. For now, if you have a theory question, please ask!
[QUOTE=guitarplayer196]
I've actually picked up new ways of looking at things(Such as major and minor scales - previously I only viewed them from the 5 basic shapes(Fretboard logic - CAGED system). Although they are the same, I don't feel as boxed in on them the way you present them

Good for you! And thanks for the positive feedback.
[QUOTE=guitarplayer196]
On last question - have you done any lessons for a musician who plays both lead and rhythm (One guitarist in band).

Try this for a basic approach:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=170

I have an updated HD version of that done. I hope to have it ready to replace those old vids next week.

After that, try these:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=222
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=274
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=263
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=263

Not precisely separate lead and rhythm parts, but a way to understand how to separate those things and fill in more sound as a single guitarist. Essentially, I do that type of thing and then intersperce it with fills when I play in a similiar context. Fills like these:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=723
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=217
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=232
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=244
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=185

I will consider doing lessons that aim more precisely at that topic however. It is a great idea.

Hey Chris, im currently doing the courses you told me to do.

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=389 (I have done those, GREAT LESSONS! THUMBS UP FOR THAT)

http://www.guitartricks.com/lesson.php?input=9215&c_id=9&ch_id=49&s_id=148 (I am currently here)

I know what it's all about now which i think is great :)

But is it normal that my mind is getting a little confused when i have to use it practically, and just being able to do an inversion or shape right away? (if someone for instance told me to do an ''A second inversion'' is it normal that i can't do it straight away)? :confused:
Im also not completely familiar with the fretboard yet, but i can measure my way to the notes and then name them. But not like straight away? Any advises for that?

I Gotta admit that your lessons have been the most helpfull for me on this site!! THUMBS UP! (No offence to the others, which is also great stuff tho)

Originally Posted by: caponi14Hey Chris, im currently doing the courses you told me to do.[/quote]
Awesome. :) Good to hear; good for you!

You are welcome for the Triads lessons. I think they are quite valuable, too.

Originally Posted by: caponi14
I know what it's all about now which i think is great :)
[/quote]
I think it's great also. You are right at the lesson that shows why inversions are so valuable: the ability to make voices move up or down at will regardless of the chord involved!
[QUOTE=caponi14]
But is it normal that my mind is getting a little confused when i have to use it practically, and just being able to do an inversion or shape right away?

Good question. Answer: yes, of course, it is perfectly normal!

It takes a lot of time to get to the point where you can understand this stuff. And it takes even more time to be able to automate it; to "play it on demand".

My advice is to keep doing what you are doing: these lessons! That's why I made them, after all, because they are an invaluable part of learning music on the guitar. The tutorial exercises after the first inversion tutorial will help you put those concepts into practice. And if you keep consistently, actively practicing these things, over time you will gradually gain the ability to play them on demand.
[QUOTE=caponi14]I Gotta admit that your lessons have been the most helpfull for me on this site!! THUMBS UP!

Glad you are getting value from the site and my lessons. :)

Im sure, im gonna get it someday :)

Thanks alot Chris!

i'm with you caponi. i've been playing a long time and i still sometimes have to think about which string i'm on. i still have to take time to figure out which notes i'm playing but over the years that time has shrunk. i think it was because i never focused on theory before because now that i see how valuable that information is and how it can improve your level of playing i seem to have hung onto more in the past two weeks than ten years. i'm actually looking forward to the next lesson.