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caponi14
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caponi14
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05/14/2009 12:24 am
Hey guys

I was watching a video yesterday with a guy playing Ain't it fun by guns n roses on youtube. (Link below)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxw2N3GzUXo&feature=channel_page

Do you think that the fast solo at the end from 4:34 to 4:50 is improvised pentatonic notes? Or do you think it's composed. If it's composed, how can you memorise all those notes in those fast solos, i have never understood that? I wanna learn fast solos :( But i think it's very hard... (Timing, speed, sound, everything in them seems too hard for me)

Is it even possible to learn to improvise like that? If it is, please tell me where i should start? Im mostly in to alternate picking when it comes to that fast legato stuff and i would like to evolve my soloing around Slash's style of playing (And he uses legato all the time).
It looks like on the video it's Pentatonic scale stuff. but my problem is that i can't mix the notes together and create variated exiting runs and solos. I always end up playing the same shredding and runs in the same position with sloppy notes, and then i get angry at myself... (How can i prevent that?) :(
Any advises for me to overcome this problem?

Please save my day :o

I am dedicating 4 hours of practice every day for practicing, and i like to see some results in the future.
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ChristopherSchlegel
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05/14/2009 2:00 am
Originally Posted by: caponi14Do you think that the fast solo at the end from 4:34 to 4:50 is improvised pentatonic notes?[/quote]
It's simple single position B minor hammer on, pull off licks. Most of it is pentatonic.

Like this:

E |-12-h-15-p-12------------------------|
B |---------------15--13-h-15-p-13------|
G |---------------------------------14--|
D |-------------------------------------|
A |-------------------------------------|
E |-------------------------------------|

It could be either improvised or composed. If it is composed, then you memorize all the notes like you memorize anything else: one note at a time and practice.

If it is improvised then it is simply practicing scales and licks until you get to the point where you can combine two things:

1. Be able to instantly think of any note as a particular scale degree and a chord tone from a chord in the progression.

2. Have a large pre-established "bank" of licks you already know and can pull out at a moment's notice, in order to do something musical based on your visualisation.
[QUOTE=caponi14]
Is it even possible to learn to improvise like that?

Of course it is. :) Competent guitarists do it all the time.

You should start by understanding scales, chords, how they relate to each other, how to visualize them on the fretboard. And practice. A lot.

I suggest starting on the 2nd Fundamental course and move on the Rock and Blues Style courses.

http://www.guitartricks.com/course.php?input=2
http://www.guitartricks.com/course.php?input=blues1
http://www.guitartricks.com/course.php?input=rock1
http://www.guitartricks.com/course.php?input=rock2

I recently discussed approaching improvisation in depth in this thread:

http://www.guitartricks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28867

The tutorials I did on learning to improvise are here:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=483
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=491

To properly understand, practice and use pentatonic look here:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=296
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=185
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=722

Then after you can do all that look at this series of basic pentatonic licks that are pretty much everything that guy in the video does in a more basic, simplified manner to start with:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=170
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=723

When you are done with those, try these:

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=217
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=232
http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=244
Christopher Schlegel
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JeffS65
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05/14/2009 2:00 am
Just a gentle reminder to learn all the blues licks.

You are definitely a big fan of Slash and I do get the sense that the only thing you wish to practice is Slash stuff. It's not that I'm knocking that but that in order to play like him, you need the tools he has. To do that, you want to know all the blues licks and also being exposed to the people he listened to.

If you watch the video through the eyes of having known those things, what that guy plays is not that terrifying. It would take practice to get it down. If it is improvisation, you definitely want those blues licks because knowing them makes you understand how to do that.
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caponi14
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05/14/2009 6:47 am
I will try it out ofcourse when you advise me to do it.

No Jeff, it's just the solo stuff that slash do i want to play. It's just confuses me the most, and soloing in general. If i only wanted to play Slash stuff i quess i would get bored quickly. He just have a very nice talent of soloing i think.

But i will give it a try :) Thanks Chris and thanks Jeff
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