Is this right ?
Either way I'll learn something..
thanks
J
Looking at the C Major scale for an example:
C D E F G A B
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
I'll just extend it to two octaves to help with the above explanation:
C D E F G A B C D E F G A B
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Ionian
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
C D E F G A B
Dorian
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
D E F G A B C
Phrygian
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
E F G A B C D
And so on...
Originally Posted by: jimmynitcherAnd if you say the same answer applies, then I'm really confused because I can't see how the relativity you speak of can produce a different shape, as there would be no point in having the shapes in the first place.
Originally Posted by: light487the Phrygian mode is not a scale all by itself.
Originally Posted by: light487
Looking at the C Major scale for an example:
C D E F G A B
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
I'll just extend it to two octaves to help with the above explanation:
C D E F G A B C D E F G A B
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Ionian
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
C D E F G A B
Dorian
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
D E F G A B C
Phrygian
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
E F G A B C D
And so on...
Originally Posted by: jimmynitcherAha! so if I am in E Phrygian the shape for it starts on the E.[/quote]
If you want to play in E "any scale", you put the Circled 1 (the 1st scale degree, the root note) on that note - the note E. All scales, modes and keys work like this.
In E major the root note (the Circled number 1 of the frerboard patterns) is on E.
In E dorian the root note (the Circled number 1 of the frerboard patterns) is on E.
In E phrygian the root note (the Circled number 1 of the frerboard patterns) is on E.
Or F major the root note (the Circled number 1 of the frerboard patterns) is on F.
In F dorian the root note (the Circled number 1 of the frerboard patterns) is on F.
And so on. :)
[QUOTE=jimmynitcher]
So the next thing I need to know is do the D Dorian behind it and all the other patterns on the fretboard relative to this starting point in fact become part of the Phrygian scale and have the Phrygian 'sound' as a result?
C D E F G A B C D E F G A B
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Ionian
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - Relative positions to C Major scale
C D E F G A B
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - I added these lines but I don't really see how it helps
if you didn't already understand the theory stuff in the
first place.
Dorian
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 - Relative positions to C Major scale
D E F G A B C
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - D Dorian scale
Phrygian
3 4 5 6 7 8 9 - Relative positions to C Major scale
E F G A B C D
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - E Phrygian scale
Originally Posted by: CSchlegel
C ionian is D dorian is E phrygian is F lydian is G mixolydian is A locrian. They all have the exact same collection of notes. They have different mode names depending upon which note letter you designate as the 1, the root note.
Originally Posted by: equatorI think you made a mistake there CSchlegel.
A Locrian is not realative to C Ionian, it is relative to Bb Major.
Originally Posted by: equatorI think you made a mistake there CSchlegel.
A Locrian is not realative to C Ionian, it is relative to Bb Major.
Originally Posted by: light487Chris made a mistake! :eek: We need to archive his post for future generations! ;)
Hehehehe..
Originally Posted by: jimmynitcherI also feel a little miffed I don't know all the names of every string on every fret, is there a good shorthand for this I wonder?
Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonNot that I know of, but try memorizing just one string at a time. Makes it a lot easier.
Originally Posted by: light487HA!! :)
You used a comma before the word but!
:p