right handed rythem help !!

billy joel from green day has it. kirk hammet has it. the good old guys from blink182 had it. matt heafy from tivium realy got it. everyone seems to have it except me.

Punk and \m/etal rythem strength in my right hand and wrist.

im talking about that 2 or 3 string right hand palm mutted percussive sound with all down stroked barre chords.

how do they hold the plectrum ? i know its with two finger with the other three spread out, where the rythem comes from the wrist.

But i cant understand how they manage to get an aqggressive sound when played in this fashion.

Therefor i hold my plectrum in the sweep picking fashion and rely on the wrist to strike the plectrum more aggressivley. doing this results in arm ache and failure to consistantly play in time.

neither of these sound great. im quite savvy when it comes to techniques. ive played for 8 years and have got alright. but i just dont get how they do it.

are there any lessons on here that anyone can suggest ? ? ? ? ? ?

ive checked the metal riffs but theres none in there with this 2 or 3 string barre chord approach, just single string muting.
HELP HELP !!!!!

(first post)

David

Holding the pick is all personal preference, however I hold mine with my thumb and halfway between the side and print of myindex finger.

As for getting fast PM's down, its just all practice. Just like learning anything difficult, start slow and build up. You don't have to use a mentronome, they can be boring sometimes, just make sure you stay at a consistent speed and don't change unless your sticking with that speed. I learned fast PM by playing along with As I Lay Dying's Shadows Are Security cd. A lot of it is drop c open mutting, so you don't need tabs to play along, not to mention, after a while, you start to figure out a lot of parts on your own. I also recommened playing along with some Slayer and Lamb of God, all great ways to get going since all have slow and fast songs with great rhythm. Note, all 3 of those bands use different tunings.

Your right in letting your wrist do the picking, thats how its suppose to be done, letting your elbow change strings. Your aching after a while becuase your tireing muscles that you normal don't use, and after a while, they'll beef up and you build stanima. One last thing, don't down pick everything, a lot of fast mutting is done with alternate picking, even when its across three strings. It might seem really hard at first, the pick digging to far down and catching the strings too much, but as I said before, start slow and build up your speed. Stick with it and you won't regret it.

Not sure if you are referring to my Metal Rhythm in your post but the principle stays the same with 1-2-3 strings.

The key is to find where to lay your palm to get the best sound between muted and open strings. What I mean by that is if your palm is too close to the bridge, you'll get too much of an open string sound. The string will ring too much. On the other hand, if your hand is too far toward the neck, you'll kill the sound and you'll end up sounding more like a raking then an actual palm muting.

This will vary from guitar to guitar but hold a E5 and find the best spot by moving your hand from the neck to the bridge. At some point it will sound good to your ear.

Then there's the pressure applied. The more pressure from your muting hand, the less ring you'll. Sometimes adding more pressure will make for a more aggressive sound since you'll kill any reverb/ringing.

As for the actual movement, it's all in the wrist. You have to be careful and learn just how high you can move your hand before you loose the palm muting. I see the side of my hand touching the guitar (the part that does the actual palm muting) has being a pivot. The corner side (palm's up) where my hand meets my wrist should always be in contact when palm muting and my hand should rotate from there. Kinda hard to explain but hopefully that makes sense.

I also pick at an angle. Some people see this as bad form and tell you to play as perpendicular as possible.... I never agreed. I like picking at an angle because it adds an extra crunch in my sound. Since my pick is sliding a bit it adds some color.

In the beginning I said that you it's same approach if you are trying to mute 1-2 or 3 strings. By that I mean that if you use the same approach, when you are playing only one string, all the others will be muted thus limiting unwanted noise.

So hand placement, pressure, pivot and pick angle are for me the 4 ingredients to my palm muting.

I hope this helps you out

Yeah dude just keep messing with how you do it till you get it. You don't really need any tutorials (although benoits metal rhythm tutorials are amazing and good for much much more than just palm muting). I don't remember how i learned I think I just did it one day and then after that it's cake.

Kinda like Pinch harmonics I guess it was really hard to get it to sound right but now I don't even need to think about it I just do it when it fits. Just keep playing and things just become natural.

I always say use a metronome to increase speed, there's no reason really not to. Yes it can be boring I guess but if all your doing is sitting there playing the same thing but without the metronome then why not also practice beat sub dividing and timing which are all important in fast playing. The best thing to do (and one of the most fun imo) is to just sit there and make noise and see what kinda crazy things you can get your guitar to do, I'm sure that if you just sit there and play you'll figure it out in no time.

I have the same problem. Ive been playing for a long time, but I cant seem to get that little extra speed I need to play Master of Puppets (intro is all downstrokes), or Tornado of Souls (main riff is down strokes).

Thats awsome. i joined the site as a full member yesterday, and i couldn't beleive i actually got a respsonse from one of the instructors !!!! thanks ever so much for your interest.

As you're so helpfull and proving already that my money has been well spent i would like to go into this subject a little deeper.

i appreciate its very difficult to understand the phenomenom of solid wrist action over document format.

therefor i have compiled a video in youtube.com where i demonstrate my question.

please click on the following link and see what i mean.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYIrAH0C74

it me explaining exactly what i'm having trouble with.
Many thanks.

David.

\m/

Hi David,

I'm away from home for the next few days so I can't make a video right now. When I get back, I'll work on a lesson in which I'll explain and show how I would play those types of riffs. I have a feeling it's a subject other members would like to see so a lesson will be better than just a video.

So as soon as i get back, I'll get on it.

that sounds cool.
from me and everyone else, many thanks

Well, it's done!

I've put together a small 3 parts tutorial on how I use and play downstrokes based rhythms.

I've taken a close look at my technique and tried to explain it the best I could.

I hope this helps you and others as well.

http://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=409

Have a good weekend!

Lame :( what about for those of us who can't pay for full access? I have this same problem and I have no idea what to do to fix it.

Originally Posted by: hunter1801Lame :( what about for those of us who can't pay for full access? I have this same problem and I have no idea what to do to fix it.

I did take the time to explain it earlier in the thread hunter.

I'm sorry if it's not enough but I can't go more into detail than that without video support.

I spend a lot of hours trying to answer member's questions Hunter but you have to understand that I'm an instructor here. Making video lessons for paid members gives me the financial freedom to be able to spend time in the forum and answer non-paying members questions.

I always do the best I can for non-paying members because I've been there, I remember how it is when you're trying to fnid the answers. Please take time to go back in the thread and read what I posted, maybe it will help you out.