Anti-War/Anti-Bush Music

I am a huge Dixie Chicks fan and Mary Chapin Carpenter fan and I just bought MCC's latest single, "On With the Song" and I LOOOOOOOOVE it! It's a particularly moving piece about the war in Iraq and our troops. Just FYI...

can't wait to buy the whole album when it comes out... its called "the calling"...

any other Mary Chapin fans out there????

Why don't you check out the Rock Against Bush cd's as well as every Rage Against the Machine album. :D

www.axisofjustice.org if you like to do more than listen to anti-war music.

And you gotta just love Neil Young's recent work! Nice! :)

The most blunt "in your face" message regarding Politics has got to be Ministry's latest release "Rio Grande Blood": The song "Lies, Lies, Lies" holds no punches on their views.

Death to the Dixie Chicks.

Originally Posted by: hunter60And you gotta just love Neil Young's recent work! Nice! :)

Definitely! Living With War is one hell of an album!

I don't have a problem when people that voted for someone else complain about Bush... But I have a big problem when people that either DID vote for Bush or didn't vote at all complain about Bush. It's wierd how everyone hates Bush.... yet some how he got elected... I guess that's what our country gets when MTV starts saying "Vote or die" and sends millions of uneducated first time voters to the polls.... Here's some advise, if you have no clue about politics.... don't vote. Uneducated votes do no good. They put someone in the White House that probably shouldn't be there.

Uneducated voters = Bush victory

I support Bush, he's our President. I didn't vote for him but I'm an American nonetheless.

I'm glad we live in a free country where you can write and protest freely... but you can do it in good taste and bad... and the majority of Bush protest is in extremely bad and uneducated taste. I'm tired of people basing their protest of Bush on his appearance that he's unintelligent. I gaurantee he's smarter than any average American. I've heard high school drop outs make fun of how stupid Bush appears.......... not that all high school drop outs have less than average intelligence.... but I think you see what I'm saying.

I'm not a Dixie Chicks fan... I like MCC older stuff when I was growing up... I haven't liked much country in a long time though. Keith Urban and Brad Paisley are about my favorites at the moment...

I go more for Toby Keiths patriotic music. Atleast he's doing some good by inspiring optimism and telling people that they should be proud to be Americans and back our soldiers no matter what the circumstances...

I think I'm going to go write an Anti-Anti-Bush song now....

Originally Posted by: aschlemanI don't have a problem when people that voted for someone else complain about Bush... But I have a big problem when people that either DID vote for Bush or didn't vote at all complain about Bush. It's wierd how everyone hates Bush.... yet some how he got elected... I guess that's what our country gets when MTV starts saying "Vote or die" and sends millions of uneducated first time voters to the polls.... Here's some advise, if you have no clue about politics.... don't vote. Uneducated votes do no good. They put someone in the White House that probably shouldn't be there.

Uneducated voters = Bush victory

I support Bush, he's our President. I didn't vote for him but I'm an American nonetheless.

I'm glad we live in a free country where you can write and protest freely... but you can do it in good taste and bad... and the majority of Bush protest is in extremely bad and uneducated taste. I'm tired of people basing their protest of Bush on his appearance that he's unintelligent. I gaurantee he's smarter than any average American. I've heard high school drop outs make fun of how stupid Bush appears.......... not that all high school drop outs have less than average intelligence.... but I think you see what I'm saying.

I'm not a Dixie Chicks fan... I like MCC older stuff when I was growing up... I haven't liked much country in a long time though. Keith Urban and Brad Paisley are about my favorites at the moment...

I go more for Toby Keiths patriotic music. Atleast he's doing some good by inspiring optimism and telling people that they should be proud to be Americans and back our soldiers no matter what the circumstances...

I think I'm going to go write an Anti-Anti-Bush song now....

Asch, I'm agree with what you're saying. I find it odd too that so many people now claim that "I didn't vote for him..." and yet he got elected twice (unless you believe the conspiracy theorists). What I find even more telling than people who just criticize him because they think it's the thing to do, are the ones who were fervent supporters of Bush and have become disillusioned over time. Take a look at Ohio. Hard-core red state. Very conservative. In the last election, Democrats took back a lot of seats. That's saying something.

As a veteran, I support the position of President of the United States. That doesn't mean that I am supporter of President Bush. I'm not. However, he is the President and he is the Commander in Chief so yes, he has my respect. And again, I support the position of the President of the United States.

The only thing that I would add is that if if you, uneducated voter, are not clear about the candidates or the issues, educate yourself before you go to the polls. It's not just a right, it's a duty as an American to be a part of the system. Your vote does count. Use it wisely.

War Is Hell--Factory Damage

Originally Posted by: aschleman

Uneducated voters = Bush victory

Eh, I'd rethink that one there chief. When using an example like the Vote or Die campaign, that was just propaganda to try to get easily led young teens who can't think for themselves to go out and vote for Kerry. I say this due to the fact of MTV's disgusting liberal bias.

That being said, you've got that sort of thing on both sides. We're humans. We follow and live by example. I just believe you used a poor example.

Originally Posted by: grizzlymintEh, I'd rethink that one there chief. When using an example like the Vote or Die campaign, that was just propaganda to try to get easily led young teens who can't think for themselves to go out and vote for Kerry. I say this due to the fact of MTV's disgusting liberal bias.

That being said, you've got that sort of thing on both sides. We're humans. We follow and live by example. I just believe you used a poor example.

I guess I kind of threw the example out there with not much clarification. Yeah, the Vote or Die campaign was pretty Kerry heavy... But it was basically pushing 18-20 year old kids to go vote... just for the sake of voting. But what I was referring more to with the example was the ones that are now complaining about Bush are the ones that went to the polls and voted for him and didn't have a clue about the issues at hand. His second term is basically all because the 9-11 disaster... Many people that had never voted before voted for him just because of the momentum he carried after that whole thing.

As for the "Vote or Die" campaign... I would agree that it was heavily geared to breed Kerry supporters. But I think it was unsuccessful in more than just getting Kerry into office... I think it was unsuccessful in raising support for Kerry as well as raising awareness about candidates... further contributing to the mass amount of 18-20 year old that went to the polls just because it SEEMED like the responsible thing (and since MTV told them, the cool thing) to do... Think about it... How many of the average MTV viewers are going to actually WATCH a political debate on MTV? About 10% would be my guess... So this is what they hear "Hey everyone! Don't forget that it's your right to vote!! GO TO THE POLLS AND DON'T FORGET TO VOTE! VOTE OR DIE!" click..... they change the channel.... Now you've got an 18 year old going to the polls that's either going to vote for whatever candidate swears to legalize marijuana or he's going to vote for whichever candidate he knows the most about.........

I was just stating that when you have a bunch of uneducated people going to the polls you get results like this last election. Where Bush gets reelected and somehow has an approval rating of less than 35%...

But yeah, MTV sucks either way... it's the most worthless thing on television... ever.

Yeah, point well taken.

I agree, if you don't know the issues, then stay home. Some people don't even know there states senators, yet they still show up at the polls on election day. I can respect the opinion of the other side more if its educated than somebody on my side of the issue who spews out bs.

In all honesty, I don't wanna hear music about war or the president. Possibly because I support him. Or possibly because music is my refuge where I don't want to have to think about such things.

I think people are trying to create the next Nam out of this thing, and I really don't think it is that at all. The circumstances are much too different. War sucks. It really does. But sometimes its necessary. World peace is a thought for the naive. Gotta come to terms with the fact that a global community living in peace is not gonna happen. Too many different interests at hand.

Originally Posted by: grizzlymintI think people are trying to create the next Nam out of this thing, and I really don't think it is that at all. The circumstances are much too different. War sucks. It really does. But sometimes its necessary. World peace is a thought for the naive. Gotta come to terms with the fact that a global community living in peace is not gonna happen. Too many different interests at hand.

Right on!

Honestly, I didn't vote in the last election... Not because I was uneducated... and not because I'm a bad American... I didn't feel confident in ANY of the candidates. Therefore I put myself in a situation to support whatever President happened to be elected. I support Bush in his attempts to give America the upperhand in a situation that could have gotten out of hand very quickly. If it means that we have to be the "bad" guys... then so-be-it. I agree... Peace is an ideal of the simple minded. Yin and Yang, Eb and Flow... Night and Day, Hot and Cold... Good with the bad... all you can try to do is balance it out.

Originally Posted by: PartyDollIt's a particularly moving piece about the war in Iraq and our troops.

I can only speak for myself but this troop isn't very "moved" when naive famous people patronize me and my brothers and sisters in arms.

Just a thought.

Originally Posted by: RaskolnikovI can only speak for myself but this troop isn't very "moved" when naive famous people patronize me and my brothers and sisters in arms.

Just a thought.

Well said. The music might have a totally different feel if it were recorded in the blazing heat with a mouthful of sand while wearing full tactical combat gear and being interupted by Mortar Shells, rather than sitting in a nice air-conditioned studio serving Caviar and Champagne.

I guess if you consider Katherine Harris the sole "decider" of Bush's election to the office a democracy in action, then you all have good points. ;)

I think that if you take your political cues from someone who happens to be good at making music, then you deserve to live under the governance of someone elected for their popularity rather than their competence.

Originally Posted by: RaskolnikovI can only speak for myself but this troop isn't very "moved" when naive famous people patronize me and my brothers and sisters in arms.

Just a thought.

Agree - but I think that protest/political music of any kind does not change anyones mind. It becomes a polarizing anthem to those of that mind-set. But when I hear something that runs counter to my own politics, I don't suddenly sit up and say "Why that's it. That's the missing piece. Now I understand and hereby change my direction of thought". Not quite.

Originally Posted by: hunter60Agree - but I think that protest/political music of any kind does not change anyones mind. It becomes a polarizing anthem to those of that mind-set. But when I hear something that runs counter to my own politics, I don't suddenly sit up and say "Why that's it. That's the missing piece. Now I understand and hereby change my direction of thought". Not quite.

I agree.

I'm just tired of this idea that I, an intelligent, talented and gifted adult who volunteered WELL after the invasion of Iraq (which describes the overwhelming majority of American soldiers) need the protection of some idiot with a Ford Expedition, a record contract and a "NO WAR FOR OIL" sign. The fact is, I had a pretty good idea of what I was getting into and I made my choice... don't use me as a crutch for your hobbled arguments.

Originally Posted by: RaskolnikovI agree.

I'm just tired of this idea that I, an intelligent, talented and gifted adult who volunteered WELL after the invasion of Iraq (which describes the overwhelming majority of American soldiers) need the protection of some idiot with a Ford Expedition, a record contract and a "NO WAR FOR OIL" sign. The fact is, I had a pretty good idea of what I was getting into and I made my choice... don't use me as a crutch for your hobbled arguments.

Right there with you. I too am a Vet, although I was in during the Cold War days of Regan. But I see what people are saying now about the war and frankly, if you don't agree, fine. But shut up, you know? The men and women over there need and deserve our full-fledged support. Period. Apparently some people learned nothing from how we treated the troops in 'Nam.

You get a crisp salute and my respect.