Tunning down leads to less quality solos or none at all?

Originally Posted by: griefwearsgrayonce again the cursing out thing was totally a joke. but, i do like to keep people guessing.

the cabang thing may be a bit rude, but who has time for all this political correctness bs? i dont.

im not saying kurt was totally original. he stole stuff from boston and rem and the beatles as well. every musician does that. when i said he copped frehley i didnt mean i like him. i wasnt trying to defend him. im not a really big kiss fan. but, its well-know that a.f. found evh. and i know for a fact that evh took the tapping from frehley. the only difference is that a.f. used a pick and not his finger.

the key to a good song is a good melody. i agree. although, im noticing some stuff coming out that sounds pretty bad and yet they still got signed. im not big on that music either.

i also agree on the music/love making thing.

bye.

Where do you hear Boston influencing Kurt? Just wondering... :)

Originally Posted by: griefwearsgrayonce again the cursing out thing was totally a joke. but, i do like to keep people guessing.

the cabang thing may be a bit rude, but who has time for all this political correctness bs? i dont.

im not saying kurt was totally original. he stole stuff from boston and rem and the beatles as well. every musician does that. when i said he copped frehley i didnt mean i like him. i wasnt trying to defend him. im not a really big kiss fan. but, its well-know that a.f. found evh. and i know for a fact that evh took the tapping from frehley. the only difference is that a.f. used a pick and not his finger.

the key to a good song is a good melody. i agree. although, im noticing some stuff coming out that sounds pretty bad and yet they still got signed. im not big on that music either.

i also agree on the music/love making thing.

bye.

You don't know anything for a fact, and that's a fact.
It was Gene that "discovered" VH, not Ace, and Eddie was allready tapping at that point. I have seen Kiss 4 times on the farewell tour, and have never seen or heard Ace tap. I am 33 years old and was an original KISS Army member...had the lunch pale and everything! lol Bryan May also used a tap technique, but not to the extent of VH, and if you want to get really technical, Jimmy Webster ( a Gretsch rep and fine recording artist who is universaly credited with being the first to do it) was tapping in the 50's, and my old mentor Dave Bunker Sr. (www.bunker-guitars.com) was tapping in the late 50's and in 1961 introduced the Touch Guitar that was only the second stringed instrument to recieve a patent in the U.S., and the first instrument designed soley for tap technique, and the only double neck instrument in the world where you play the two necks simultaneously. Check it out. Nicolo Paganini used tapping on his violin in the 18th and 19th century. Did Ed rip him off too? Also, Emmit Chapman invented the "Stick" in the late 60's, which is a 10 string "touch" instrument, and patented it in the early 70's

Eddie has said more than once that he didn't invent tapping, but he didn't cop it from anyone either as he was as unaware of these players, as you no doubt are...he stumbled on to it after watching Jimmy Page do a series of pull offs. You know it is possible for more than one person to have the same idea with no prior influence to lead them there. But you have to agree that there were a lot of people using there index fingers after Ed. So there :p lol

You're a funny guy Grief...but you don't know as much as you think you do. I hope you take some time to check out the info that I presented here to you, and encourage anyone else to check out these terrific players, and luthiers.

Additional - Jimmy Webster wrote a book called "Touch System for Electric and Amplified Spanish Guitar" that was published in 1952 by the Wm. J. Smith Co., Inc of Ney York, NY.

I like most of the arguments here, they are sound and frank :D , just be carefull to follow the rules here, coz name calling and flaming others are strictly prohibitted.

Anyway It doesn't mean that tuning down will lead to less quality solos , Its just a matter of preference by the artist to create a distinct sound rather than the standard E tuning or trying to focus more on the lyrics and riff instead of the solo.

I admit that Im a solid fan of shred guitar and even though most songs today lack solos, Im still not disappointed by some new breed of artist that plays some good solo's in their songs although not as fast or as technical as the past. Alterbridge is one good example, Mark Tremonti plays some wicked solos Open D tunings, Velvet Rovolver with Slash playing Eb tuning sounds great to name a few from the Mainstream.

It's just nice too see right now that many kids and adults are interested to play guitar. It's very easy to be called a "good guitar player" right Now because the standard of a good player today is not Yngwie, Vai, Satch , EVH, etc. I can say the 90's Slash , Dime and Hamett is still a tough act to follow by people then, but now your considered good if you can play Nickelback, Creed, Korn, Linkin Park, Staind, The Calling, etc. Thanks to them I can now relate to my younger friends who are just new to guitar and I feel blessed coz Im immersed with the Shred revolution. Im like a guitar hero to them everytime I play Eruption, BlackStar, Ice 9 and Sweet Child O mine solo.

The conclusion is Learn to appreciate and accept the trend (they just come and go> shred, blues, funk, metal. etc.), but always honor and remember your roots and apply them. They are good for you....Peace ;)

Originally Posted by: griefwearsgrayi read something by him that said he was trying to do a boston/rem kind of thing on smells like teen spirit. it does sound a lot like more than a feeling, the intro anyway, i cant really find the rem thing. but, then again, i havent heard every rem song, so its probably in there somewhere.

Michael Snipe (REM singer) and Kurt were actually good friends - apparently they were due to record together before Cobain's departure from this plain, (the flight tickets and studio time were booked, he called Snipe to say something had come up and a few day's later he was found dead) - source is an old UK guitar magazine I've forgotten the name of - could anyone confirm this?

Can't say I can relate 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' to Boston or REM, but, "the secret of originality is knowing how to cover your sources", so who knows?!