Originally Posted by: JFRICKThe Who
Quadrophenia
Tommy
Who's Next
Three of the greatest albums of the classic rock era.
Originally Posted by: JFRICKThe Who
Originally Posted by: R. ShackleferdI'd never heard any claims like that about Stairway, nor have I ever heard of that song either.
Originally Posted by: R. ShackleferdI'd never heard any claims like that about Stairway, nor have I ever heard of that song either. Perhaps so...I dunno. These "cover" songs aren't even why I like them anyways, so he's still my hero! :)[/QUOTE]
Taurus is actually a pretty cool arrangement, if you get the chance, check it out.
Page definitely made a lot of very important contributions to music, but he also has one hell of a greedy streak. He's human, therefore he's flawed just like the rest of us. I don't think somebody has to be perfect to be a hero, but I do think it's important to note the whole picture.
Take some of my heros for instance: Johnny Cash used to beat June, Frank Zappa was a horrible father and cheated on his wife constantly, and I think Les Claypool's politics are about as ignorant as I've ever come across -- that doesn't make them lesser musicians, though.
[QUOTE=dakine80]He's just mimicing his predocesors.
Originally Posted by: FireAndIce24u know, come to think of it, every mainstream/famous band can be argued to be called overrated.
Originally Posted by: Charming.Greenday. They suck big time.
Originally Posted by: RaskolnikovActually, BB's claim to fame is that instead of playing vibrato like his predecessors (parallel to the string), he shook the hell out of the strings in a perpendicular direction. In other words, BB is the reason why most of us play our vibrato the way we do today; if it weren't for him, we'd still be mimicing violinists and their approach to vibrato.
Yeah, he's got a limited bag of tricks; yeah, he's not a technical master, but Blues as we know it today simply wouldn't exist if it weren't for him.
Originally Posted by: dakine80If it weren't for him we'd still be mimicing a violinists appraoch to vibrato? I almost laughed when I read that. I think MOST of us discovered vibrato for ourselves by accident, the BB King way, as you claim. He's not the first of anything;certainly not "perpendicular" vibrato.[/quote]
1. We've all grown up since B.B.'s time; I and most people I know figured out how to play "Enter Sandman" by accident, yet before Metallica released it, who latched onto that riff?
2. "Tapping" existed well before Eddie Van Halen. However, he popularized it and therefore he was the impetus for 99.999% of the implementation of that technique to come since that time.
[QUOTE=dakine80]And blues "as we know it today" wouldn't exist if it weren't for him?
That's ridiculous.
Originally Posted by: Raskolnikov1. We've all grown up since B.B.'s time; I and most people I know figured out how to play "Enter Sandman" by accident, yet before Metallica released it, who latched onto that riff?
2. "Tapping" existed well before Eddie Van Halen. However, he popularized it and therefore he was the impetus for 99.999% of the implementation of that technique to come since that time.
Tell that to Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton, SRV, Jimmy Vaughan, Robert Cray and any number of other contemporary Blues (and, honestly, a lot of Rock and Jazz guitarists I've run into) who have cited B.B. as a key influence on them.
When Jimmy Vaughan says that "we're all trying to sound like [B.B. King]" and the entire cast of the SRV tribute agrees with him, then I think that should tell you something.
When you think about it, compared to contemporary Hard Rock and Metal bands, Black Sabbath is relatively unremarkable; and yet without them, none of it would exist in its present form.
You have to remember: you're listening to B.B. King's music with 50+ years of following music history being thrown at you at the same time and so for you or I or almost anyone else on this site, it's a lot of hard work to put his music into the context of what music was before he came along and what it became because of it.
Originally Posted by: dakine80I take it you're a BB fan, so I'll stop debating with you because it will never end. I would defend to the death for one of my favorite players too, or even someone I highly respected. Like Eddie![/quote]
No, I'm not a BB fan.
However, I do pay attention when I read or listen to artists talk about their influences and I'm not about to ignore a player or group's contribution just because I'm not a fan or even if I outright dispise them.Originally Posted by: dakine80The only guitarist to really use any kind of tapping before Eddie was Billy Gibbons, and he only used it a couple times in a lick or two. Eddie took it to an astronomical level, way beyond anyone's comprehension.
There is another guy besides Billy Gibbons (who's name I can't remember, but somebody around here will) who did infact use tapping before Eddy and some people credit with inventing it. Even so, at a clinic I went to, Bill DĀ”ckens (monster bassist, taught Victor Wooten, composed the Cosby Show theme song, ghost-wrote an ungodly number of songs, etc, etc, etc...) talked about R&B cats tinkering with it it back in the 60's (though they had another name for it). Regardless, Eddie's the guy who made it stick.
[QUOTE=dakine80]Just a quick question: Who do you think should be higher on a "guitarist" list, BB or Eddie? I mean as far as inspiration to musicians(successful or not) and the body of work? Just curious.
Originally Posted by: JFRICKHere's another one I haven't seen listed yet....
The Darkness
Is it just me, or do most bands that start with "the" suck?
Originally Posted by: Charming.Greenday. They suck big time.