Thank for the replies, F#%&*ck!!!! I was afraid that was what you all were going to say...I guess I know that I really need to take lessons now but kept thinking that I could do without....its like you know you need to do your home work if you wanna have good grade but you keep wishing there was an easier way....and you look hard for it and all the time you spend looking for it, you could have done the right thing already.....