--------------------------------------8-5---------------------
------------------------------------------8-5-----8-5----------
-------------------------5--------------------8-5-----7-5-------7-5------etc
---------------5----5-7----7---etc.------------------------7-5-------7-5--
------5---5-7----7--------------------------------------------------------7-5
-5-8----8---------------------------------------------------------------
they're kind of excercise-ish but they should get you started on some ideas
Alas Gandalf lives, Middle Earth is again safe...