I know these guys from highschool, they're shows are pretty wild. And there have been a few times where they played the stage drunk out of their minds, they were off key and the singers voice was really out of whack. And they always relied on the destruction of their instruments afterwards in case the crowds re-action was negative. I'm not quite sure how long these guys can rely on their reputation and how long they can fool their audience in the process. They have the potentional to be a really good band, its just that discipline isnt in their vocabulary. [b] I wouldn't wan't to have to rely on anything but my own personal talent on stage in ways of getting the audience to stand on their feet, because then i would know inside that their re-action wasn't simulated./b] (Thats the only way I could feel satisfied afterwards.) When the audience respects your sound instead of the visual effects, then thats the only way you can be sure that you've made a connection.