Flamenco is based off a 12 beat cycle with accents falling on different beats...usually 3, 6, 8, 10, & 12. The accented beats would be simuliar to the down beat of 1 in European music. The beats are not always consistant, sometimes the 1/4 will get the beat, sometimes each 8th note of the triplet will be counted as a beat. Imagine 2 measures of 6/8 followed by 2 measures of 3/4...that would be one type of 12 beat cycle you might find in Flamenco. Now within those 4 measures approach beats 3 6 8 10 & 12 as down beats...sort of get the idea. Flamenco is much more exotic sounding then most latin forms.
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Yeah, but it's not Latin in the sense of what most people concieve as Latin: Brazillian, salsa, samba...all that stuff is based off the clave rhythm. What we're doing is essentially playing Flamenco and incorporating in improvisation. This style of playing Flamenco was created by Paco de Lucia after he started working with american musicians in the late seventies (DiMeola, McClaughlin, Correyl, Chick Corea, etc).
Flamenco is based off a 12 beat cycle with accents falling on different beats...usually 3, 6, 8, 10, & 12. The accented beats would be simuliar to the down beat of 1 in European music. The beats are not always consistant, sometimes the 1/4 will get the beat, sometimes each 8th note of the triplet will be counted as a beat. Imagine 2 measures of 6/8 followed by 2 measures of 3/4...that would be one type of 12 beat cycle you might find in Flamenco. Now within those 4 measures approach beats 3 6 8 10 & 12 as down beats...sort of get the idea. Flamenco is much more exotic sounding then most latin forms.
Flamenco is based off a 12 beat cycle with accents falling on different beats...usually 3, 6, 8, 10, & 12. The accented beats would be simuliar to the down beat of 1 in European music. The beats are not always consistant, sometimes the 1/4 will get the beat, sometimes each 8th note of the triplet will be counted as a beat. Imagine 2 measures of 6/8 followed by 2 measures of 3/4...that would be one type of 12 beat cycle you might find in Flamenco. Now within those 4 measures approach beats 3 6 8 10 & 12 as down beats...sort of get the idea. Flamenco is much more exotic sounding then most latin forms.
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Originally posted by chris mood
Flamenco is based off a 12 beat cycle with accents falling on different beats...usually 3, 6, 8, 10, & 12. The accented beats would be simuliar to the down beat of 1 in European music. The beats are not always consistant, sometimes the 1/4 will get the beat, sometimes each 8th note of the triplet will be counted as a beat. Imagine 2 measures of 6/8 followed by 2 measures of 3/4...that would be one type of 12 beat cycle you might find in Flamenco. Now within those 4 measures approach beats 3 6 8 10 & 12 as down beats...sort of get the idea. Flamenco is much more exotic sounding then most latin forms.
Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. :) I have experimented with alot of latin (dance) rhythms by translated them into a classical meter sense. Like the rhythm you meantioned 2 6/8 plus 2 3/8's, combined to make 12/4. I didn't know it was flamenco or anything like your doing, but I would develop my own (I thought they were my own) like 3/8 + 2/8 + 3/8 + 2/8 = 10/8. Compositionally, I would write a piece in 10/8 but find different combinations that add up to such. Maybe a variation like 6/8 + 2/8 + 2/8. Even stranger time signatures like 15/16 and 14/8. The reason behind the subdivison was I had a hard time developing harmonic rhythm to complex time signatures. So I would break it up into smaller simple and compound time sig. and make a harmonic rhythm on each strong beat. So one could be...
10/8 = 3/8 + 2/8 + 3/8 + 2/8
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 2 ...
e:--0-----1---0-----------------
b:--1-----1---1-----3----1------
g:--0---------0-----4----0------
d:--------3---------5----2------
a:--3-----0--------------3------
e:------------3-----3-----------
That's just a simple I-IV-I-V-I in a major key. But many variations can spawn from that, like a refrain from the chord progression or time signature. Maybe a variation in 5/8 or 7/8. Even retrograde on the preceding measure is quite interesting. The sysmetrically idea can either be predictable or extremely dramatic, since there are tons of different combinations of a time sig you create. I first came up with the idea when reading something on Jazz, I wish I knew where I read it cause I don't think I finished. If that's flamenco, then that's crazy because I had not been aware of the term until I came here. I came up with this years before that, although I had a feeling it wasn't completely original.
[Edited by noticingthemistake on 02-11-2004 at 10:00 PM]
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For off the wall time signature changes and tunes written in crazy odd meters you should check out some Frank Zappa.
When you really sit down and analize it it's some crazy stuff.
The cool thing about Flamenco is that it's subtle, the music really flows....you hear that there's something going on there but it doesn't come out and smack you in the face as being out of the ordinary, it sounds like it belongs.
When you really sit down and analize it it's some crazy stuff.
The cool thing about Flamenco is that it's subtle, the music really flows....you hear that there's something going on there but it doesn't come out and smack you in the face as being out of the ordinary, it sounds like it belongs.
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Yeah I like Zappa. Very strange and unusualy man, but awesome creator.
I haven't listened to much flamenco except the curiousity from hearing people talk about such music and bands. What I heard was pretty cool. Time signatures with a dividend of 2 or 3 flow coherently, it's those outside that like 5/8, 7/8 that sound odd. From my experiences, odder time signatures need alittle more presentation to keep the music flow coherent. All music should move in a flow, dramatics should definitely be well placed so that they sound like they belong. One in an odd place is not bad, often cool. But too many jolts and jitters can destroy the coherence of the music. That's definitely rule no. 1 in my book, even when I break rules; I always follow that one.
I haven't listened to much flamenco except the curiousity from hearing people talk about such music and bands. What I heard was pretty cool. Time signatures with a dividend of 2 or 3 flow coherently, it's those outside that like 5/8, 7/8 that sound odd. From my experiences, odder time signatures need alittle more presentation to keep the music flow coherent. All music should move in a flow, dramatics should definitely be well placed so that they sound like they belong. One in an odd place is not bad, often cool. But too many jolts and jitters can destroy the coherence of the music. That's definitely rule no. 1 in my book, even when I break rules; I always follow that one.
"My whole life is a dark room...ONE BIG DARK ROOM" - a.f.i.
# 4
Originally posted by Christoph
Well I've said it before, but there are only so many "what is a mode" questions that I can answer before I go bonkers. There were some new members around that seemed to be answering everyone's questions well enough, so I kinda checked out for a while.
I'm still looking for a decent job in this toilet economy. Still playing guitar, learning some classical stuff. Ever heard of the book called "Challenge the Masters"? I highly recommend it.
I know what a mode is, just needed a little peice of Info. and a more clear understanding in how it fits.
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