Good shredders/Bad shredders

Originally posted by Death55
BTW, people who say angelo's songs are all the same and for the people who are into joe satriani, check out a song by michael angelo called "The Finish Line" you might like it ! I dont know where you can get it from but i know if you have kazza or something it should be on there.

Actually 'The Finish Line' was actually the 2nd Michael Angelo song I heard after No Boundaries so decided to download more songs such as China, Rainforest and All Systems Go. This was when I was disappointed with the songs sounding very much alike.

Well maybe you havnt got a very good musical ear or your just saying what you have heard from other people because you just agree with the majority. I mean most guitarists songs sound very similar because they like to stick with a certain tone and style. Wouldnt it be retarded to try and make every song you made really different. From the songs you said you have heard i agree that those ones are probably fairly similar because they are mainly of one of his albums. 2x again is a very melodic song and has pretty much no shredding in it. Check it out.

Death55, there is no need to insult anyone for their own opinions.

And I do think that it should be an artists responsibility to make songs sound different. I don't want to go out and buy an album where all the songs sound exactly the same. Michael Angelo does this a lot. He uses the same arp shapes for most of his songs, especially the sweeping parts. There are also a few broken arps that he uses exclusively. I've heard plenty of Michael Angelo's material and he is a technical speed-freak, but that doesn't mean his songs don't sound the same.

You need to respect other people's opinions. In life many people are going to disagree with what you think. Show some maturity and respect other people's opinions.

Sorry Pantallica1 its just i feel so strongly about who's good and whose not etc. I also think angelo is one of the greatest guitarist out there and it makes me angry when people talk about his bad points because he has influenced my playing so much and it feels like people would be also critizising my style of playing.
I dont mind people saying who they think are good because i can think fair enough maybe thats what they like and i'm sure a lot of those people would be angry to hear me talking about how bad i think that guitarist is, but sorry for insulting you like that seve420 didnt mean it in a nasty way ;)

seve 420, butterflies shelter on the underside of leaves with their wings folded behind their backs when it rains. Their wings are covered in delicate scales which would wash off in the rain, their latin name comes from reference to this: lepidoptera meaning scaly wing. That said some are long distance migrants e.g. the Monarch Butterfly the whole population of which stays in one wood in Mexico. Sometimes they get swept up in storms and make it over the atlantic despite having no shelter. Hope that helped! ;)

I love Satch and would call him a shredder 'cause I've heard the bells of Lal, crushing day and a heap of other tracks with technically awesome solos. I saw him live and he doesn't duff a single note, it's humbling.

Malmsteem has an awesome tone and sweeps in a horrifying manner. So many people diss him but I think that's only because they're jealous and they think that other people will think they must be great if they cab diss him. That said I do think he's a bit repetitive.

Pettrucci. !!! Fabulous.

Good shredders not mentioned so far:

Glenn Tipton, ex. Judas Priest. Baptism of Fire has several of the best guitar solos I've ever heard on it.
It combines great melody with technique that exceeds practically any shredder you care to mention. Also he plays with Billy Sheehan, arguably the best bassist in the world.
Allan Holdsworth (anybody with that level of technical resource must be regarded as a shredder even if they don't generally play distortion guitar). Crazy jazz legato runs flipping through tons of scales and harmonies. The thinking guitarist's guitarist.
Vinnie Moore. Great rock guitar shredder who can also play fine acoustic tunes.
Nuno Bettencourt. Extreme split up when Gary Cherone went to play for Van Halen. Personally I think that was a waste. I prefer Nuno to van Halen, he's a humongously gifted guitarist.
Trey Azagoth. Morbid Angel lead guitarist. Saw a clip of him on Noisy mothers. Great tone with tons of dark soul. Awesome tapping and immaculate picking.

Bad Shredders:
Steve Vai (yawn) too much wah and whammy bar, I find it overstated and un-musical. Great technique but so what.

Rusty Cooley. Possibly the most technically awesome guitarist I've ever heard and it drops my jaw but it's not what I'd call musical.

Michael Angelo. I saw him play a solo during some horrible 80s hair metal thing with totally cliched lyrics. He played this four necked cross shaped guitar that was lowered to him from the ceiling. Ambidextrous over hand playing looks awesome but it didn't do much for me. Anyone with real musical integrity would avoid such a cheesy band.

Originally posted by u10ajf
seve 420, butterflies shelter on the underside of leaves with their wings folded behind their backs when it rains. Their wings are covered in delicate scales which would wash off in the rain, their latin name comes from reference to this: lepidoptera meaning scaly wing. That said some are long distance migrants e.g. the Monarch Butterfly the whole population of which stays in one wood in Mexico. Sometimes they get swept up in storms and make it over the atlantic despite having no shelter. Hope that helped! ;)

I've been pondering about that for a couple of years actually. I thought that even if they sheltered under leaves, they could still die during violent storms but all they really have to do is f*ck then lay eggs just after getting out of their cocoon for the species to survive.

Plenty of butterflies hibernate. Small Tortoiseshells are a Britsh example. OIthers like Clouded Yellows and Painted Ladies Migrate to Africa. Apparently Monarchs can fly as fast as 30mph!
Here's a link

[Edited by iamthe_eggman on 01-16-2004 at 10:52 PM]

Good Point. I can't say there's been a time when I've been equally impressed by two songs from one artist that sound almost exactly alike. However, I will agree that artists cannot really escape sounding like themselves unless they're copying someone else, and even then, we're not hearing anything new, are we? Anyway, on the subject of shred guitar, who has the best shred guitar tone? Of course Eric Johnson doesn't count because he has the best tone ever :). Tell me what you think, guys

KB

Originally posted by u10ajf

Bad Shredder:
Steve Vai (yawn) too much wah and whammy bar, I find it overstated and un-musical. Great technique but so what.

I agree with you completely, Vai is technically awesome, but I'm just bored by his playing.

Originally posted by aiwass
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Funny, I happen to feel the opposite. I'm not that amazed by his technique (although it IS amazing), but I LOVE his phrasing and sense of melody...

I know, opinions on Vai are very split.

I love Vai's playing. I think he isn't the greatest technically, but he's the only instrumental guitarist that I can put in a CD of and listen to without becoming bored.

His use of "effects" can be quite overdone, but mostly it's all in good taste.

I would put Michael Angelo in as a bad shredder. Same licks, same key, over and over and over.

My opinion on the matter

Yngwie is a damn good shredder. He chooses not to be super fast, well because he knows it wont make him sound any better. Anyway, this guy puts it togeather so brilliantly. He gots so many kick ass sounds and melodies. Take his violin technique (easy but uses it in a brilliant way) Also, he is probably the best at using delay, that is just brilliant as well. Yes, Yngwie Malmsteen is a brilliant fellow.

Michael Angelo is good but if find no good melody. His songs seem like one big fat solo, and who wants that? For his over hand flopping, I dont see what is so special about flopping your hands around on the guitar neck. I hear nothing good come out of it so wtf.

Steve Vai sounds good but sometimes runs sour. He abuses the wha peddle.

Joe Satriani is a genius, but who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )

Michael Romeo, havent heard much, but his intro for Smoke and Mirrors is pretty radical and awsome.

Pual Gilbert, if you love rock, he is a damn good rock shredder. And really good metal shredding too.

ON my good "shredder" list the top would have to be Gilbert. He's fast and can add humor to his playing...

On my bad shredder list... ME. I am possibly the worst shredder on the planet. Probably because I don't shred, but that's besides the point :)

Originally posted by Koolen

Joe Satriani is a genius, but who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )

Since I just noticed this after writing my post, I thought I would comment on this...
Obviously you should just give up music and the guitar all together based on this quote, because obviously you are wasting your time.
Being able to play different styles and come across as yourself everytime is what most guitarist strive for, myself included...He can do that...
I personally have every one of Satch's CD's so I for ONE must prefer to listen to a bunch of different styles on one CD...I don't think it's stupid...
Just on tone, technique, phrasing, and general music writing, there is YEARS of study in his albums in order to master his style. Yngwies( wingnut, whatever) style... Hmm how to say this...

Learn the harmonic minor scale forwards and backwards, learn to sweep pick minor arpeggios, and learn how to play pedal tones quickly and there you have it... His whole style of playing in less than a decent paragraph.

SO next time you think about playing the guitar, repeat after me...
Step away from the guitar
Step away from the guitar
Step away from the guitar...

Originally posted by Koolen

who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )

Yeah, The White Album sucks...:rolleyes:

Yes, I was being sarcastic...

I can see what he means though. If you really like a guitarist you want to be able to listen to an album where it is fairly similar. This way you can sit down and listen to it all the way through and not have to skip songs that are so different and are not for you. This was what i ment when i said about michael angelo being the same. If you have every song of yours sound very different then you will get lots of people liking maybe only 1 or 2 songs that you have written meaning you have a very small number of people that like enough of your songs to buy an ambum of yours or come to see you live.
I'm not saying that satch is like this because i have watched his dvd and if i remember, i liked all of the songs he played. I agree with the fact that its good to change songs a lot and have them sounding very different so they are not all exactly the same and they can all still be very good. Obviously satch didnt go wrong in making his songs so different because i know so many people who like him and he always has that unique style in every song which is what is important.
I hope you see both sides of my arguement.

Originally posted by Death55
I can see what he means though. If you really like a guitarist you want to be able to listen to an album where it is fairly similar. This way you can sit down and listen to it all the way through and not have to skip songs that are so different and are not for you. This was what i ment when i said about michael angelo being the same. If you have every song of yours sound very different then you will get lots of people liking maybe only 1 or 2 songs that you have written meaning you have a very small number of people that like enough of your songs to buy an ambum of yours or come to see you live.

What you described is exactly "nu-metal". No change in song structure, same "my dad hated me" lyrics, same 4/4 drum beat, it's ridiculous. I would much rather pick up a CD of Vai or Satch and listen to the different changes in songs and try to figure out, "Man, what was he thinking when he wrote that, that's awesome." Instead of going, "Man, I've heard this downtuned guitar riff 75,000 times already."

Change in song style and structure is awesome. Reread hairbndrckrs post again.

I give up. I just cant explain anything properly. I guess thats why i started playing guitar. I find it so much easier to express my feeling when playing guitar than trying to explain something when i dont have a f***ing clue what i'm on about.

Originally posted by aiwass
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Koolen
[B]Joe Satriani is a genius, but who wants to listen to a bunch of different styles on one cd( Kind of stupid )

hahaah, that doesnt make any sense at all. Would you rather every song sound the same? ( Kind of stupid)lol

I like when musicians expand their horizons. Try new experimetal stuff. Or simply do other styles then their normal.