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04/07/2026 9:21 pm

I thought this may be of interest to others. I queried Gemini as to why learning guitar seemed to be “progress - setback- progress “


 


It is incredibly frustrating to finally nail a piece of music at full speed, only to come back to it later and find your fingers tripping over themselves. What you are experiencing is a completely normal, well-documented part of motor skill acquisition.
This phenomenon—where performance temporarily dips after an initial breakthrough—happens for a few specific neurological and physical reasons.
### 1. The "Centipede Effect" (Explicit vs. Implicit Memory)
When you first learn a piece slowly, you are using your conscious brain (**explicit memory**) to dictate every finger placement and pick stroke. As you speed up and achieve accuracy, your brain transfers that task to your subconscious "muscle memory" (**implicit memory**).
The setback often occurs when you accidentally try to consciously control a movement that has already become subconscious. If you start thinking about *how* your hands are moving while playing at tempo, your conscious brain interferes with the faster, more efficient subconscious processing. This is often called the "Centipede Effect" (if a centipede thinks about how to move all its legs, it trips).
### 2. Accumulation of Micro-Tensions
When you first push a piece to its target tempo, you are often playing right at the edge of your physical limit. To achieve this, your body subtly compensates by introducing "micro-tensions" in your hands, wrists, or forearms.
 * **The initial success:** You muscle through it and get the notes right.
 * **The setback:** Over repeated play-throughs, those tiny tensions accumulate. Your muscles get tight, your picking hand loses its fluidity, and your fretting hand stops syncing perfectly. The sloppiness is your body's mechanical failure due to accumulated tension.
### 3. Fragile Neural Pathways (Myelination)
Learning a physical skill involves creating new neural pathways. As you practice, your brain coats these pathways in a fatty substance called **myelin**, which acts like insulation on a copper wire, making the signal travel faster and cleaner.
When you first nail a piece at tempo, the pathway exists, but the "insulation" is still very thin and fragile. Because the pathway isn't fully robust yet, slight variations in your focus, posture, fatigue level, or even mood can disrupt the signal, leading to sloppy playing. The continued practice you mentioned is what finally builds up enough myelin to make the skill permanent and unbreakable.
### 4. Neural Consolidation (The "Rewiring" Dip)
Sometimes, your brain needs time offline to organize what you've learned. During rest and sleep, the central nervous system goes through a phase called **consolidation**. Occasionally, right in the middle of this rewiring process, your performance can actually regress. The brain is essentially taking the scaffolding down to build a stronger permanent structure. A temporary dip in ability is often a paradoxical sign that deep learning is actively occurring.
### How to Manage the Setbacks
Since this cycle is a natural part of mastering the instrument, you can use a few strategies to minimize the frustration:
 * **The "Sandwich" Method:** Never let your last repetition of a practice session be at your maximum speed. Play it fast, but end your session by playing it perfectly at a very slow tempo. This reinforces the clean neural pathway before you put the guitar away.
 * **Check for Tension:** When the sloppiness hits, stop immediately. Check your shoulders, your grip on the pick, and your fretting thumb. Drop the tempo by 15-20 BPM, relax your muscles entirely, and build back up.
 * **Walk Away:** If the implicit memory is scrambled or your central nervous system is fatigued, grinding through the sloppiness will only build bad habits. Take a break and let your brain consolidate the work.


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04/08/2026 1:42 am
#1 Originally Posted by: William MG

I thought this may be of interest to others. I queried Gemini as to why learning guitar seemed to be “progress - setback- progress “


 


It is incredibly frustrating to finally nail a piece of music at full speed, only to come back to it later and find your fingers tripping over themselves. What you are experiencing is a completely normal, well-documented part of motor skill acquisition.
This phenomenon—where performance temporarily dips after an initial breakthrough—happens for a few specific neurological and physical reasons.
### 1. The "Centipede Effect" (Explicit vs. Implicit Memory)
When you first learn a piece slowly, you are using your conscious brain (**explicit memory**) to dictate every finger placement and pick stroke. As you speed up and achieve accuracy, your brain transfers that task to your subconscious "muscle memory" (**implicit memory**).
The setback often occurs when you accidentally try to consciously control a movement that has already become subconscious. If you start thinking about *how* your hands are moving while playing at tempo, your conscious brain interferes with the faster, more efficient subconscious processing. This is often called the "Centipede Effect" (if a centipede thinks about how to move all its legs, it trips).
### 2. Accumulation of Micro-Tensions
When you first push a piece to its target tempo, you are often playing right at the edge of your physical limit. To achieve this, your body subtly compensates by introducing "micro-tensions" in your hands, wrists, or forearms.
 * **The initial success:** You muscle through it and get the notes right.
 * **The setback:** Over repeated play-throughs, those tiny tensions accumulate. Your muscles get tight, your picking hand loses its fluidity, and your fretting hand stops syncing perfectly. The sloppiness is your body's mechanical failure due to accumulated tension.
### 3. Fragile Neural Pathways (Myelination)
Learning a physical skill involves creating new neural pathways. As you practice, your brain coats these pathways in a fatty substance called **myelin**, which acts like insulation on a copper wire, making the signal travel faster and cleaner.
When you first nail a piece at tempo, the pathway exists, but the "insulation" is still very thin and fragile. Because the pathway isn't fully robust yet, slight variations in your focus, posture, fatigue level, or even mood can disrupt the signal, leading to sloppy playing. The continued practice you mentioned is what finally builds up enough myelin to make the skill permanent and unbreakable.
### 4. Neural Consolidation (The "Rewiring" Dip)
Sometimes, your brain needs time offline to organize what you've learned. During rest and sleep, the central nervous system goes through a phase called **consolidation**. Occasionally, right in the middle of this rewiring process, your performance can actually regress. The brain is essentially taking the scaffolding down to build a stronger permanent structure. A temporary dip in ability is often a paradoxical sign that deep learning is actively occurring.
### How to Manage the Setbacks
Since this cycle is a natural part of mastering the instrument, you can use a few strategies to minimize the frustration:
 * **The "Sandwich" Method:** Never let your last repetition of a practice session be at your maximum speed. Play it fast, but end your session by playing it perfectly at a very slow tempo. This reinforces the clean neural pathway before you put the guitar away.
 * **Check for Tension:** When the sloppiness hits, stop immediately. Check your shoulders, your grip on the pick, and your fretting thumb. Drop the tempo by 15-20 BPM, relax your muscles entirely, and build back up.
 * **Walk Away:** If the implicit memory is scrambled or your central nervous system is fatigued, grinding through the sloppiness will only build bad habits. Take a break and let your brain consolidate the work.

I think you're overthinking things.


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04/11/2026 12:32 am

I really like this post Bill. I have done similar research and it tracks with what you posted. Sometimes even taking a break for a few days can help the brain consolidate learning. 


 


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04/11/2026 1:45 pm
#3 Originally Posted by: michael@rockon

I really like this post Bill. I have done similar research and it tracks with what you posted. Sometimes even taking a break for a few days can help the brain consolidate learning. 

What prompted my query, Mike, was my curiosity as to why some individual’s pickup on skills quicker than others and master songs at an astonishing rate. And what I read from the Gemini response is that it comes right down to myeline and the build up of myeline from continued practice. I have not asked Gemini this question, but I am sure that as we age, the build up of this material happens at a slower pace than in a younger person.


I have been working on “Lazy” for about 7 weeks now, maybe a bit more. And although my overall tempo is improving, I am at a solid 70% tempo with good clean playing, there is one section that is proving especially difficult. It is gaining tempo over time, but it is progressing at a slower pace than the rest of the song.


The section is shown below in bar # 20. In the song this is played at between 2:19 and 2:26. This is my transcription, and are the notes as I hear them.  


And agree 100%, sometimes a short break is good before jumping right back in. My own strategy for parts like this is to isolate the part and play to a metronome - eventually increasing the speed to the breaking point and then stepping back a few bpm, then going back to the song and playing the song at whatever tempo I can play the challenging piece at cleanly.


So this one is a challenge! I am also working on  "Hear my Train a coming" by Hendrix which is coming along nicely and for something more relaxing Sister Morphine by the Stones.



BTW Mike, this screenshot above is from Soundslice. Not sure if you have checked this out, but it is an unbelievable tool and peanuts per year. I see my subscription is about due but at $51.94 for the year, I will be renewing.


Bill


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04/12/2026 12:35 pm

Bill, I think you and I are taking the same approach on learning songs. Like you I have been working on refining my ability to play a song as close to the notation as possible in time. I have learned the same lesson…to just slow things down, count it out and get it firmly under my fingers before I attempt to play it up to speed. One of the songs I have been working on is Shook Me All Night Long by AC/DC which I know you appreciate! I have the rhythm down pretty good so I decided to try to play the solo (lead playing has not been my strong suit but I would like to get at least competent). I am working on playing it slowly in time and the first half is coming along. In the process I have learned how to play pinch harmonics which is super cool (Anders has a great set of lessons on GT) but I still find playing vibrato with my index finger remains an ongoing process of improvement more so when I have to “pull down” than when I “push up”. I know the wrist action is critical but it seems like it is taking forever to build up speed.  But I figured the best way to improve is to play in the context of solo so I can hear it in context.  


Thanks for the tip on Soundslice. When you feel like you have Lazy down to your satisfaction post it. Your dedication is inspiring and I enjoy hearing about the progress you are making. 


All the best, Mike


 


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04/12/2026 12:49 pm

Ohh it’s gonna be a long time before I get Lazy up to Blackmore’s speed Mike. But keep it as part of my daily. 


I have got to check out that lesson on pinch harmonics. I have tried, have had people show me… I just don’t get it. 


Funny story on You Shook Me. I had seen AC DC in magazines, but had never had one of their albums. And unlike Kiss or Alice Cooper, they had no songs on our local radio station, so I really didn’t give them too much thought. And at the time, I did have a part-time job, but still there was only so much money to go around and when I purchased albums, I bought the bands that I knew. So one day I walked into a music store and they have a record playing and I asked the lady who it was she had playing and she points to a record display and it’s AC/DC with the brand new album Back in Black and I could not believe what I was hearing and could not believe I had missed this my whole life. Of course that was Brian‘s first album with the band. I bought the album and I can honestly say that AC/DC is my band, because it is the only band where I own every album they ever produced, including some bootleg, and I love that song.


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04/12/2026 1:06 pm

Thanks for sharing that story Bill. Love it!

I found learning pinch harmonics is much more doable than I expected. As an AC/DC aficionado you will get a real quick out adding that skill to your tool box. As usual Anders does a great job in the lessons.   


One of the many things I like about AC/DC songs is the balance of difficultly and playability. They are approachable but also take a high level of precision to get them right. You Shook Me is a great example of featuring playable chords. But as you know the trick is getting the timing correct which includes a lot of muting which has to be spot on to sound like the recording.


Onward we go in the journey!


 


 


 


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04/15/2026 4:47 pm

Michael, this is such a good point about AC/DC. The parts are "playable" but it takes a high level of nuance to make them sound really good! Spot-on observation. I think a difference between an advanced player and a beginner is that the advanced player can make simple parts sound good. 


The drum teacher Dave Elitch uses this idea in his workshops, too. He makes his students play just a straight 4/4 beat for a couple of minutes in front of everyone, no fills allowed, and the only goal is to sound good. 


That is yet another layer in everyone's development. From easy stuff, to complicated stuff, and then back to the basics. 


-Carl. 


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04/19/2026 11:04 pm

So I just recorded this Mike. Lots to work on especially keeping strings quiet and hitting those bends. But it's coming along. Bar 20 is still a mind block as is several other parts past that. If your up to it would like to hear some AC DC lol


Bill


 


https://youtu.be/C61otk7E2X0?si=ynSiGE3HlJgj6E80


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04/22/2026 11:48 am

Thanks for posting this Bill! I missed a few days checking the forum so I am just seeing this today. I think you are making fantastic progress! That’s not an easy lead to execute and I can hear the melody clearly. You are definitely on the right track and the speed will come as they say from the repetition moving from muscle memory to the subconscious. 


I am on vacation with my wife right now but when we return and I get a little more practice in I will attempt to post an update on how I am doing with the AC/DC lead. 


Thanks again Bill. I do appreciate you sharing…it just another way to support each other in this journey. 


Best, Mike


 


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04/22/2026 12:51 pm
#10 Originally Posted by: michael@rockon

Thanks for posting this Bill! I missed a few days checking the forum so I am just seeing this today. I think you are making fantastic progress! That’s not an easy lead to execute and I can hear the melody clearly. You are definitely on the right track and the speed will come as they say from the repetition moving from muscle memory to the subconscious. 


I am on vacation with my wife right now but when we return and I get a little more practice in I will attempt to post an update on how I am doing with the AC/DC lead. 


Thanks again Bill. I do appreciate you sharing…it just another way to support each other in this journey. 


Best, Mike

Thanks Mike and I am with you 100% on the community supporting each other. For many of us, sadly, this will be our last attempt to try and learn guitar. If my video helps other students see that this is difficult but doable - at least to the point that a listener can identify the tune - that is cool to me. 


And yes, for me, this is a complicated piece of music. I do get mind blocks on stuff like this. Back in '24 I taught myself the bass lines for Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" album. I remember the song "Time" in particular. It was really tough to wrap my head around. Timing is all over the map and I felt like I was chasing the bass line most of the time.


When you are comfortable with posting, I would enjoy seeing how you are making out.


Hope you guys are having a nice vacation!


Bill


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04/24/2026 3:47 am

Finally found something of yours to listen to and check out, man! Pretty Cool, DUDE! I read your brain games post above. It's neat reading how my smooth brain grows wrinkles, haha!


I do agree with the slow practice at the end of music playing at speed. I started doing that last week, and I feel my practice sessions(?) (I am very dyslexic, I think that is the correct spelling) are much better overall. I'm sure you have a lot more wisdom than I do, man, but I strongly suggest making the hard parts of the song their own dedicated practice session. I just started doing that this week, but it HELPS me run the brain wires through the thought conduit and connect the circuit. 


I've been grabbing the four most difficult bars and dedicating just 10 minutes to them. I play them four times, slowly and deliberately, as your post suggested. Then I speed it up just a simidgen. After that I take a quick minute break, check my hand postioning is still good on the neck and the bridge, then play it slow again four times. I do that for about nine minutes and then play it one last time, slow, just like your post reads. It's helping me a lot, bud. 


If I may make a constructive criticism. I know your much better at the guitar than I am, but I noticed something small. A kind look over your bends, try locking your ring finger in, support it with the other two fingers, and rotate your forearm up. You're pressing the string up with your fingers or pulling the string down with your hand. 


LAST! I'm not too much of a Joe Bonamassa fan, but whoever wrote those piano licks needs to know I'm a fan of theirs. I listened to Live at the Greek Theater this week and loved that piano on the album. It's awesome. 


Thanks for the cool reads and for sharing some of your music with me. Maybe I'll upload something soon since you and Mike seem so supportive of one another. 


Be safe, brother!! 


Thanks for reading, and be safe. 

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04/24/2026 10:41 am

Hey


Yes I think Mike is a very positive forum member. I isolate tough sections and run through them a number of times. They do improve over time. 
And by all means, share some content!


Keep practicing man!


Bill


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04/25/2026 6:47 pm

Bill is exactly right Kyle. It took me a long time to learn that slow is the only way to faster. Also when it comes to playing songs, counting out each bar is the only way to get it to sound right. For a long time I thought I could feel my way through because I knew the song so well. Not so, every little nuance of the counting makes a difference. I wasted a bit of time figuring it out the hard way. 


 


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04/25/2026 6:47 pm

Bill is exactly right Kyle. It took me a long time to learn that slow is the only way to faster. Also when it comes to playing songs, counting out each bar is the only way to get it to sound right. For a long time I thought I could feel my way through because I knew the song so well. Not so, every little nuance of the counting makes a difference. I wasted a bit of time figuring it out the hard way. 


 


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04/27/2026 1:42 pm

Bill, in the interest of sharing I have attached a link of a recording I made a while back on my phone of me playing The Doobie Brothers, China Grove at speed over the GT full performance track in the lesson. Not perfect but serviceable.  Since that time I have made some noticeable improvements in my ability to play it but I have not yet recorded my updated version.


I am still working on Shook Me All Night Long and will post that when I have a moment to record it. 


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vRVieuaDIV5XGLq3zhFWV0OjUCMEvUXE/view?usp=sharing


 


 


 


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#16 Originally Posted by: michael@rockon

Bill, in the interest of sharing I have attached a link of a recording I made a while back on my phone of me playing The Doobie Brothers, China Grove at speed over the GT full performance track in the lesson. Not perfect but serviceable.  Since that time I have made some noticeable improvements in my ability to play it but I have not yet recorded my updated version.


I am still working on Shook Me All Night Long and will post that when I have a moment to record it. 


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vRVieuaDIV5XGLq3zhFWV0OjUCMEvUXE/view?usp=sharing


 


 

Wow! Fantastic Mike. Really really good playing there. We can always find faults with our playing, but this is good. Really good. And as you know I jam and have been on stage and you would fit right in man! 


Thanks for posting this


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04/28/2026 11:02 am

Thanks Bill! You have no idea how much I appreciate and value your feedback. When you practice and play without other people around, the isolation can cause you to doubt if progress is being made. The goal is to do what you are doing, play other people and eventually for people! 


Thanks again for the encouragement. 


 


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Thanks Bill! You have no idea how much I appreciate and value your feedback. When you practice and play without other people around, the isolation can cause you to doubt if progress is being made. The goal is to do what you are doing, play other people and eventually for people! 


Thanks again for the encouragement. 


 


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#19 Originally Posted by: michael@rockon

Thanks Bill! You have no idea how much I appreciate and value your feedback. When you practice and play without other people around, the isolation can cause you to doubt if progress is being made. The goal is to do what you are doing, play other people and eventually for people! 


Thanks again for the encouragement. 

I hope you are able to find a group Mike, it has pros and cons, mostly pros if you can get with someone like my buddy you saw in the video who actually knows what he is doing and is patient. That is key, avoiding people who get jammed up with others because they are not at the same level. That is no good.


On your playing, you are way ahead of me. To be specific, I can see you have put the time in to get the little nuances that are part of the song. I admit to being a lazy guitar player, usually looking for a short cut to push the song out and I love the simple stuff. Cowboy rides away was made for me!


Bill


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