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06/11/2025 7:28 pm

 


Jimmy Page... 14ish I think... playing Skiffle


My point?


The legends didn't start out playing {legendary solid-intermediate to advanced} ...stuff


Most of them started out as kids; with nothing more than naive affection for music > guitar


They didn't mind playing the boring pre-rock stuff...


because Rock didn't exist yet
or in the case of later greats: they were just kids.


 


Note:
I'm saying this partly for my self;
because as much as I intellectually know what I just said is true...


I still catch my self drifting into the overcompensating focus on things I don't need to concern my self seriously with yet.


sure: play around with that stuff... the riffs and whatever...
But until you can play anything easier than it perfectly with ease...
you haven't established the requisite skillset and fundamental understanding of how music works.
Even the cats that didn't consciously understand theory understood it subconsciously; by proxy of experience with copious amounts of music.


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06/24/2025 8:36 pm

so you didn't ask; but I'll share this with you


what is actually at the core of this is


we're trying to consciously navigate that which transcends linear perception > narrative > dogma


 


that's why little kids pick this stuff up fast; provided they've liberty to absorb it slowly


the guitar is just an instrument


an extension of the self


playing music well is like walking


we didn't learn to walk by logically thinking it through


that said


once the logical mind is developed...


that's it:


it's engaged; all the time


and depending on how much emotional baggage we have...


it's prone to look for easy routes and proxies for liking our selves


"If only I cans play THIS... then I will be happy"


this is something most instructors can't relate to


because they developed a solid foundation in childhood.


that's all to say:


the truest answers can't be spoken


that'd be like babbling about Beethoven's 9th symphony


it can help you understand the symphony but babble ABOUT the symphony isn't the actual symphony


all the instructors can play stuff I can't play


they are aware of concepts I don't know


which means that my perception of music can be expanded to the degree that I ponder what they say, and try out what they teach


but at the end of the day...


no one can teach us how to actually play


we have to figure out how to walk by walking


or toddle around


give or take holding onto furniture


or crawling... wherever we're at


that's where we're at


yet our perception of where we're at is subjective


= edit =======
added greater than sign between "Narrative" & "dogma"


from my perspective EVERY THING is some aspect of narrative; dogma is attitude superficial to that


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vokehor664
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07/25/2025 7:03 am


Jimmy Page... 14ish I think... playing Skiffle


 


My point?


 


The legends didn't start out playing {legendary solid-intermediate to advanced} ...stuff


 


Most of them started out as kids; with nothing more than naive affection for music > guitar


 


They didn't mind playing the boring pre-rock stuff...


 


because Rock didn't exist yet
or in the case of later greats google doodle baseball: they were just kids.


 


 


 


Note:
I'm saying this partly for my self;
because as much as I intellectually know what I just said is true...


 


I still catch my self drifting into the overcompensating focus on things I don't need to concern my self seriously with yet.


 


sure: play around with that stuff... the riffs and whatever...
But until you can play anything easier than it perfectly with ease...
you haven't established the requisite skillset and fundamental understanding of how music works.
Even the cats that didn't consciously understand theory understood it subconsciously; by proxy of experience with copious amounts of music.



 


But for many adults, combining that passion with a structured, analytical, and intentional learning strategy is the most effective and rewarding path to true musical mastery. It’s about consciously building a symphony, not just waiting for it to unfold.


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07/29/2025 4:29 am

vokehor664,


i don't know if you edited anything else in that "quote" of me
(too much for me to skim)


but I defintitely didn't say "or in the case of later greats google doodle baseball: they were just kids."


 


"It’s about consciously building a symphony, not just waiting for it to unfold."
 ~ vokehor664


 


I'm failing to see where I implied "waiting for it to unfold"


 


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