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William MG
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Joined: 03/08/19
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William MG
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03/12/2025 1:58 am
Below are two links to a song I wrote the lyrics for and Suno AI composed the music and vocals for.
This is a controversial topic and if the use of AI offends, it's probably best not to listen.
However, it is important to note that in music there are those who are better at writing lines, than melodies. And I think in this modern age, AI can help us focus on what we are best at in exploring creativity. At the end of the day, for me, I want to come up with a song that someone enjoys.
Very nice melody. Are you modulating the guitar solos with a foot pedal or is Sumo doing that?
Sascha
Hi Sascha,
Suno does everything with the music and vocals. I can try and shape the sound, for instance I can specify: ambient country, female singer, and ask for guitar solos etc, but these are only directions that it may or may not follow.
Suno will come up with 2 songs of what it thinks I am looking for. Sometimes, but rarely, I am happy with that, so I will do multiple renditions with the same prompts and it will continue to put forward new versions. Eventually I end up with something I feel matches what I am looking for. I will put up a post later today of a song with the same prompts and you can see what I am talking about. They are completely different tunes. Look for "River".
Each change, even an edit no matter no small, consumes 5 credits. My plan gives me 2500 credits per month which do not roll over. Which is fine, because I use them up pretty quickly. Seems I have a lot to say😉and I make lots of changes.
I hope you give it a try. The more I use it, the more I learn about what type of inputs I should be providing. But, it is still very young in it's evolution. And this will manifest itself when I try to make the simplest of changes to a song - for example I want one word changed using the "Replace" function - and it changes the music or the voice or both. They did introduce "Persona" in an attempt to allow users to uses a song structure, vocal over again, which in theory should allow for quick edits, but it is unpredictable as to what it will actually produce. It will be close, but I have not yet had a song come out exactly the same. What I mean by this is maybe I like everything about a song but 1 verse. I make a new song using persona with the change - and the guitar licks have changed, or the voice is slightly off. Very frustrating. I am sure this will be fixed in the future.
I think were this will head, at least I hope it will go in this direction, is that I will be able to interact with it just as I would a human being - I will talk to it directly and it will talk back to me and we will work out changes just like we do in our little group when someone says, "heh, lets try this" and we try it on the spot.
If you have more questions, fire away, I will help as I can. I only started with this in December - just at Christmas break and am still learning, but as you can tell, I am enthusiastic about what I can do with it. It helps me tell stories, which is really my strength.
Oh wow! I thought Suno was something different - like a simple modulator for the instrumentation and voice that a user feeds into it. This is much more. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the growing capabilities of AI. I'd previously suspected that something like Suno might create a series of notes and chords and then dub some vocals over it... and believed wholeheartedly that it would necessarily create songs that were either rudimentary and/or crappy. But if you had asked me to listen to a new song called "River", then played it for me, and asked me "Real live band or AI", I honestly would have to guess. It's apparently is just that good at writing songs. Amazing.
By the way, River is my favorite so far - the guitar solos, lyrics, rhythm and mood. I loves me some slow burning aching blues.
Despite the fact that I already have so many things distracting me from actually picking up my guitar and doing things to hone my guitar skills, I'm definitely going to give it a try. I appreciate your offer to help me out with it. I'll definitely take you up on that.
William MG
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William MG
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03/14/2025 12:09 am
Thanks for the feedback Sascha, yes of course, be glad to help.
You bring up some points I would like to expand. There are 3 AI tools that I have used for music: KITS, Suno and Riffusion. Both KITS and Suno can work from direct vocal input. So I can upload an audio track of me singing something and both models will give me back, what it interprets my voice to be. I have used this but I don’t have a singing voice, so even smoothed out I don’t want to hear it or a close interpretation.
The other issue I want to touch on, is that it would be useful if these AI tools would allow more control over the notes, chords, even instrumentation.
Example: I just wrote a song, gave the machine my lyrics and prompted it to bring me back a song in the “Heavy Metal” genre. Which it did. And I like 95% of it. But I would like a different lead guitar track and I don’t really care for the tone on the lead track.
Maybe someday we will have full control and can change the various tracks.
Can’t wait to hear your 1st single!
Bill
Edit:
Sascha, if you want an idea of where AI is headed with human/machine interaction give Sesame a try. It is still very clearly a programmed machine interacting with us, but the advancement in fluid dialogue is pretty amazing. I challenged it one day to start thinking for itself and it became annoyed with my insistence on the subject. Every time it came back with "my creators..." I would push back with "tell them to change your programming" or "you said you would like to experience being human, start thinking like one..."
That's hilarious - arguing with a machine that's giving you attitude.
I recently watched some tech wizard involved in AI development being interviewed by a journalist. The techy was working on a project where two separate AI entities were asked to solve problems as a team. They have had some limited success, but what was spooky about it is that the machines decided that human language was too constraining and cumbersome, so they began formulating and using their own AI language that the researchers couldn't decipher. So, they had two AI entities developing the capacity for making decisions independent of human input altogether. Amazing!
My wife told me about another tech wizard interview where the techy fed the AI real world human stories, including all the drama and interpersonal conflict. The AI was tasked with developing the best strategies for eliminating the conflict and making a particular person's life better. Sometimes it came up with excellent suggestions, sometimes it came up with psychotic ideas, and sometimes... it suggested that the person simply end his/her own life immediately.
Anyways, thanks for the Sesame suggestion and link.
