Both Zwan and Audioslave's debut albums were great...im not like most people. Even though they did sell out and even though their thrash stuff cannot be beat, i think that the black album, Load, and Reload are pretty good albums and they have some good songs on them...but now i have to agree with everyone; St. Anger Bites the dust big time...its just not very good at all: no great riffs, no beatiful solos, nothing memorable...maybe were spoiled by the great music Metallica has put out over the years, but even then St. Anger just isn't that good...