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This could lead to confusion!
Hey, lets say someone has perfect pitch, like a guitarist, and lets say he meets a sax player. Couldn't these two get into a massive argument over what note is being played, cause on a lot of horn instruments you have to transpose up or down, I mean, if they didn't know about transposition? Has anyone with perfect pitch ever gotten into an argument like that? Just wondering.
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Heh. Good question. I never thought of that. I guess that could happen if they both didn't know the difference in how they're instruments were tuned, and they wanted to address the note they were playing. I would hope that at least the horn player would know about it. But yeah, it could happen given those circumstances.
Then again, it would be alot more confusing for the guitarist who wouldn't have perfect pitch to figure out the note a sax player was playing. Given the same circumstances that is. If a guitarist with perfect pitch heard a tenor sax player play a C, he would know to play a Eb on the guitar whether he knew about the tuning difference or not.
[Edited by noticingthemistake on 03-31-2003 at 03:05 PM]
Then again, it would be alot more confusing for the guitarist who wouldn't have perfect pitch to figure out the note a sax player was playing. Given the same circumstances that is. If a guitarist with perfect pitch heard a tenor sax player play a C, he would know to play a Eb on the guitar whether he knew about the tuning difference or not.
[Edited by noticingthemistake on 03-31-2003 at 03:05 PM]
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# 2
When addressing horn players just refer to the notes as concert pitch, they should know what your talking about.
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Originally posted by noticingthemistake
Then again, it would be alot more confusing for the guitarist who wouldn't have perfect pitch to figure out the note a sax player was playing. Given the same circumstances that is. If a guitarist with perfect pitch heard a tenor sax player play a C, he would know to play a Eb on the guitar whether he knew about the tuning difference or not.
[Edited by noticingthemistake on 03-31-2003 at 03:05 PM]
That happened to me. My friend who plays thr trombone and I were playing a song, but our music teacher hadn't written any horn lines yet, so, I asked what note he was playing. I think it was G (on the trombone anyway), but when I played my G, uuuuugh. Didn't sound too great. Then I learned about transposition and all was well. :)
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-And it was good
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Kool. Yeah I was in a Ska band awhile back, and that happened alot between our guitarist and our horn players. Curse those who decided to make that more difficult. :mad:
P.S. I think the trombone actually is in concert pitch. It's the trumpet which is different. I dunno, don't really write too many horn parts.
P.S. I think the trombone actually is in concert pitch. It's the trumpet which is different. I dunno, don't really write too many horn parts.
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I dunno, our notes clashed pretty sourly. (If that makes any sense :) )
Either that or one of us played a wrong note anyway.
Either that or one of us played a wrong note anyway.
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# 6
Yeah it makes sense. Maybe one of you was alittle out of tune. I dunno I could be wrong on the trombone issue. I know the trumpet or cornet have two different tunings. One in C and the other is Bb, but I thought they were the only brass instruments that were different. I'll have to check that one.
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Maybe we were out of tune.
I should find out about this sort of thing......
I should find out about this sort of thing......
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-And it was good
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Hey, guys, can you explain what's the difference in the tunning. Cuz its reasonable when you play A on guitar to be A on every other instrument cuz its always 440Hz. I guess...
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# 9
Yeah, It would be alot easier if it was that way. A at 440hz is what is called "concert pitch". Not all instruments are in concert pitch, like Saxophones, trumpets, and clarinets.
Here they are:
Bb Clarinet: notes sound a Major second lower.
A Clarinet: notes sound a minor third lower.
Eb Alto Sax: notes sound a major sixth lower.
Bb Tenor Sax: notes sound a major ninth lower.
Eb Baritone Sax: notes sound an octave plus a major sixth lower.
Bb Trumpet: notes sound a major second lower.
C Trumpet: sounds as written.
Josh, I looked up the issue about the trombone and my sources say it is in concert pitch. Let me know if you find anything different. Latr
Here they are:
Bb Clarinet: notes sound a Major second lower.
A Clarinet: notes sound a minor third lower.
Eb Alto Sax: notes sound a major sixth lower.
Bb Tenor Sax: notes sound a major ninth lower.
Eb Baritone Sax: notes sound an octave plus a major sixth lower.
Bb Trumpet: notes sound a major second lower.
C Trumpet: sounds as written.
Josh, I looked up the issue about the trombone and my sources say it is in concert pitch. Let me know if you find anything different. Latr
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# 10
Hmm...
One of us must've been out of tune then.
One of us must've been out of tune then.
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# 11
Do you remember how far off you guys were?? Like he had to play an F on his trombome to be in tune with your G. There is a such thing as a Tenor Trombone, but it's in Eb instrument and it's not commonly used in Jazz arrangements.
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# 12
This was actually a rock arrangment, but it was just a regular trombone. My friend had just taken it back out after its non-use for a few months, maybe it was just cold or out of tune or something. Either that or one of use was mistaken about what note to play.
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# 13
A=440 is the same on all instrument. The problem occurs mostly in the writing and understanding how instruments are tuned. This can get complicated, but understanding intervals makes it very simple.
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Just so I get this, the transpositions and stuff, from your chart up there, if I wanted to write a clarinet line to sound the same as my guitar, I would have to write everything a whole step down? (Cause its a major 2nd lower)
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Yeah, you were probably out of tune then. The worst sound comes from two notes that are very close, like if you played a G and he played a F# (out of tune). Than that would sound pretty horrible. :)
As for a sound that vibrates at 440 vibrations per second always written as A. I have to disagree. If your talking about a sound that vibrates at 440 vibrations per second being known as the sound of A. That's right. Maybe it's how you stated it, but if a Eb Baritone Sax played a B note. Than that note would be D on the guitar. 440 vibrations per second is known as concert pitch (concert A). Some instruments aren't in concert pitch though, they are written in different keys. Like if you wrote a guitar part in C major, you would have to write the Sax part in Eb major. It's a stupid rule but hey it's worked for centuries. :confused:
As for a sound that vibrates at 440 vibrations per second always written as A. I have to disagree. If your talking about a sound that vibrates at 440 vibrations per second being known as the sound of A. That's right. Maybe it's how you stated it, but if a Eb Baritone Sax played a B note. Than that note would be D on the guitar. 440 vibrations per second is known as concert pitch (concert A). Some instruments aren't in concert pitch though, they are written in different keys. Like if you wrote a guitar part in C major, you would have to write the Sax part in Eb major. It's a stupid rule but hey it's worked for centuries. :confused:
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Josh-
You could do it that way, but you can save confusion by writting it in it's appropiate key. If you don't, you'll end up with alot of accidentals and it might confuse you. If you write a guitar part in C major, you would write the clarinet in Bb major. If your just jamming with someone on clarinet, you can either tell him to play in Concert pitch (i.e. Say you play a C major chord, you can tell him/her to play a Concert C. If he understands, he'll know to play a Bb on his part, then all will be good.) If they don't understand Concert pitch (which I doubt), you can just tell him/her to play a Major second lower than you (Bb over your C).
You could do it that way, but you can save confusion by writting it in it's appropiate key. If you don't, you'll end up with alot of accidentals and it might confuse you. If you write a guitar part in C major, you would write the clarinet in Bb major. If your just jamming with someone on clarinet, you can either tell him to play in Concert pitch (i.e. Say you play a C major chord, you can tell him/her to play a Concert C. If he understands, he'll know to play a Bb on his part, then all will be good.) If they don't understand Concert pitch (which I doubt), you can just tell him/her to play a Major second lower than you (Bb over your C).
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Ahh, so I could have a guitar part in G major, and the horn lines in a key a certain number of intervals up or down from that one? (Whichever number of intervals depends on the instrument ofcourse)
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# 18
Yeah. Just think of all the instruments being in the key of C. Then if you have something like a Bb Clarinet. It would be written a major second lower, because Bb is a major second lower (2 steps) than C. Follow the same intervalic transposition so if the guitar part was in G major. The Bb Clarinet would be in F major. Now if your writting a song in G major, and you want to figure out the horn part on your guitar. You would do so in the key of G major, then transpose it to F major for the Clarinet player. That's the only thing I may have left out. You probably knew that, but just in case.
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